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Views of History through time (offshoot of the WW2 Family Topic)
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:00 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 12:00 am
There are certain days of the year that matter more than others. July 4th, Christmas, etc. are universal among all generations. The era you were born decides the others. An observation while on my 45+ orbit around the sun.
I have a phone alarm set to go off at 18:18 GMT every December 7th. I turn everything off and sit in silence for a few minutes of reflection. Most years I watch either Tora, Tora, Tora or Final Countdown the night before or night of.
I see in my kids what most of my age saw. Gen X grew up learning a ton about WWII but very little about WWI (unless we went out of our way to study it). I see WWII, Vietnam, and to a lesser extent 9/11 being glossed over by schools. 9/11 was our Pearl Harbor and barely 20 years later the news channels can't be bothered to cover the yearly memorials uninterrupted.
We saw a ton of the "heat of the moment" type films rushed out in the first 10 years but nothing close to Tora, Tora, Tora or FMJ/Platoon. I remember the night OBL was killed...that was the last night that America was truly united. The video from outside the White House and Times Square looked like the "melting pot" that we should be. It's only 12+ years later and the chance of seeing that again is no better than me living long enough to see colonies on the moon. The Ukrainians could use a drone to kill Putin tomorrow and you'd have the same thing in the streets for that as we have for Israel-Hamas.

I have a phone alarm set to go off at 18:18 GMT every December 7th. I turn everything off and sit in silence for a few minutes of reflection. Most years I watch either Tora, Tora, Tora or Final Countdown the night before or night of.
I see in my kids what most of my age saw. Gen X grew up learning a ton about WWII but very little about WWI (unless we went out of our way to study it). I see WWII, Vietnam, and to a lesser extent 9/11 being glossed over by schools. 9/11 was our Pearl Harbor and barely 20 years later the news channels can't be bothered to cover the yearly memorials uninterrupted.
We saw a ton of the "heat of the moment" type films rushed out in the first 10 years but nothing close to Tora, Tora, Tora or FMJ/Platoon. I remember the night OBL was killed...that was the last night that America was truly united. The video from outside the White House and Times Square looked like the "melting pot" that we should be. It's only 12+ years later and the chance of seeing that again is no better than me living long enough to see colonies on the moon. The Ukrainians could use a drone to kill Putin tomorrow and you'd have the same thing in the streets for that as we have for Israel-Hamas.





This post was edited on 12/8/23 at 12:01 am
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:26 am to MSUDawg98
I understand your frustration. There are differences in what caused Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Although 9/11 was a horrific act the mentally weak are easily swayed by propaganda. The US had been screwing around in the Middle East for decades so it’s easy to convince some that we had it coming. Never mind that the radicals that committed these acts will hate us either way.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:22 am to Gee Grenouille
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Although 9/11 was a horrific act the mentally weak are easily swayed by propaganda. The US had been screwing around in the Middle East for decades so it’s easy to convince some that we had it coming
I never see people say we had it coming.
I see people say that our government orchestrated it or knew about it and let it happen.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 5:57 am to Gee Grenouille
So, the mentally weak believe it was blowback from decades of meddling over there but the mentally strong believe it was because they hate us because of our freedom?
Is that what you are saying?
Is that what you are saying?
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:19 am to Vrai
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So, the mentally weak believe it was blowback from decades of meddling over there but the mentally strong believe it was because they hate us because of our freedom?
Is that what you are saying?
That's what I'm saying. And I'm not suggesting we should've been meddling around over there for decades. I'm also not going to say we did or didn't deserve it BECAUSE we were messing around over there for decades. I am saying that the point is mute. They would've done it anyway.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:43 am to Gee Grenouille
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They would've done it anyway.
Maybe, maybe not. Too bad we didn't meddle so we could have found out
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:55 am to Gee Grenouille
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I am saying that the point is mute.
Maybe if you spoke up we could hear you better.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 7:29 am to Gee Grenouille
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That's what I'm saying. And I'm not suggesting we should've been meddling around over there for decades. I'm also not going to say we did or didn't deserve it BECAUSE we were messing around over there for decades. I am saying that the point is mute. They would've done it anyway.

Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:15 pm to Gee Grenouille
quote:The true force behind the ME of today goes way back to Sykes-Picot...a plan backed by the British a century ago. The arbitrary lines were ridiculous. For example, it's why you see the Kurds split between countries whose majorities don't like them.
The US had been screwing around in the Middle East for decades so it’s easy to convince some that we had it coming.
More recently there's been a series of events that go back to post-WW2 foreign policy. We became the teet that every corrupt head of state came to suck when they needed help. SE Asia became the tone setter. Then we had the Shah of Iran (whose son to end life Carter valued more than Americans'). We then backed Iraq vs Iran and Mujahideen vs the Soviets. All of them turned back against us when American commercialism tried to create another market through pushing a westernized culture.
Britain set the stage in the ME and the US/USSR used them in a series of proxy wars. It's not right but it is understandable why so many of them are susceptible to believing that we are evil.
Posted on 12/8/23 at 6:47 pm to MSUDawg98
"The US had been screwing around in the Middle East for decades so it’s easy to convince some that we had it coming."
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Why not just go straight to the source when trying to figure out why Al Queda struck on 911? The leader of Al Queda, Osama Bin Laden, said that America's support of Israel and our military presence in the middle east, especially Saudi Arabia (where the holy city of Mecca is) is the reason he ordered the attacks. Glad we killed him...
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Why not just go straight to the source when trying to figure out why Al Queda struck on 911? The leader of Al Queda, Osama Bin Laden, said that America's support of Israel and our military presence in the middle east, especially Saudi Arabia (where the holy city of Mecca is) is the reason he ordered the attacks. Glad we killed him...
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