re: Video game testers attempt to organize a union, get laid off, cry shenanigans.

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Surely I don't need to make the distinction here between the category of "immigrants" and the category of "non-citizens."

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There is not a difference in the mind of a leftist.

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CBO report deals with "immigrants" and the "foreign-born." Surely I don't need to make the distinction here between the category of "immigrants"

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It talks about both, and speaks to both separately and together at points

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They included naturalized citizens, lawful permanent residents (who are also known as green-card holders), refugees, people who were granted asylum, and people who were temporarily admitted for a specific purpose, such as extended work or study. (The people accounted for in this document do not include visitors for business or pleasure.) The remaining one-quarter, or about 11 million people, were here illegally, having either remained here when their temporary legal status expired or crossed the border illegally.

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A change in the legal immigration status of people who are already in the United States would affect their wages and productivity. People with legal immigration status are usually authorized to work; so are recipients of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA). People without legal immigration status are usually not authorized to work (although many work regardless). And if people were to acquire legal status, they would be better positioned to ask for more compensation and become likelier to be employed in jobs that best matched their skills, increasing their wages and productivity.

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I’m sorry your alls reading comprehension is truly this fricking terrible

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I’m sorry your alls reading comprehension is truly this fricking terrible

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Youre just dumb.

You purchase labor at 100k a year or 50k, all else equal?

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There is not a difference in the mind of a leftist.

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Oh but there can be. It simply depends on which point they're trying to make. Obviously if focusing on economic contribution they will slyly subsume the set of "non-citizens" into the set of "immigrants." The problem here isn't simply that the latter is larger than the former but rather that the instruments they use to gauge this impact are necessarily skewed in favor of a smaller subset who earn more as they are engaged in the system in a way that is far more likely to be captured by these instruments.

But when talking about benefits received from government, they are more than happy to restrict their analysis to"non-citizens" while still ignoring the secondary avenues they pursue to receive them.

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He's under some delusion that employers aren't making decisions to hire cheaper labor.

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Seriously, pause, learn to read, come back to this conversation when those items have been completed.

Absolutely no one is saying that employers aren’t trying to minimize labor costs. That’s literally been our whole fricking conversation Ricky. You have just taken the enviable position of wanting to lick their boots as they do it. Whereas I’m pointing out that your model of economic policy, the one that is all for maximizing the employer’s legal domination over labor, off-shoring jobs, cutting domestic labor protections to the bone, exploiting imbalanced trade relations, and cheering on the suffering and low pay of the lowest level workers is paradoxically creating the conditions for a lot more of those government mooches you also claim to hate.

And illegals ain’t the panacea solution you think it is…and you admitting that companies will do all these other things that keep wages low and workers scared of asking for better pay is you proving my own point for me.

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You have just taken the enviable position of wanting to lick their boots

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Imagine being you, and having to wait for the gubment or collective bargaining to increase my standard of living

Wrong, youre just stupid and whiny. I have no bias for employers. Youre just too stupid to realize personal value is how you increase your quality of life.

Do you know how to maximize your potential? YOu sure as frick dont do it in a labor union. Do you know why? Because there are billions of poor people out there who can do unskilled labor much cheaper.

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My nut swinger couldn’t differentiate between a trade union and an unskilled labor union.

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The soy boys don't know the difference, their familiarity with "mens work" is academic.

Trade unions are still very viable, and I would recommend to anyone. You get paid for 4 years while learning, etc..

Unskilled labor having a union is mind blowing to start with. If anything it keeps them from evolving. "Seniority" would be my personal hell. frick that, I cant work without some merit being involved.

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Workers with union representation enjoy a significant pay premium compared to non-union workers.

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You're kind of getting it! Almost there...

Before the days over you may have learned something, and that is when wages are higher than market value, you lose your job.

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a page ago you seemed to understand basic supply/demand

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I still do, far better than you.

Employers buy more labor at cheaper prices. If you want a living wage, increase your worth.

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I've answered it 100 times

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No you haven't. I suspect there's a very good reason you're deflecting and dodging. Kind of hard to act like an expert when you're really just a dock worker.