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Posted on 1/25/24 at 3:44 am to idsrdum
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All cause mortality is meaningless and very boring?
Again, without reference to something more specific, what am I supposed to take from it? The way the reference is being used just doesn’t mean very much. I need an argument with much more detail because we are weighing this mortality versus the mortality with the illness we are preventing. As of now, the latter is always going to be higher.
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Unlimited vaccines?
There should be as many as the evidence indicates. In each case, the illness is always worse than the vaccine side-effects.
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I especially appreciate the vaccine proponents, like Christine Stabell Benn and Geert Vanden Bossche, that are willing to discuss the potential harms of vaccines
Do you balance this out with people discussing what the hospital wards were like when specific illnesses were ravaging patients? You are hyper focused on these potential ‘harms’ with nary a reference to what things were like before vacccines were developed. It’s not a very balanced viewpoint, to be real.
You would have been better off reading and rereading an immunology and/or microbiology textbook for the last four years rather than seeking confirmation of what you want to hear.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:36 am to crazy4lsu
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Do you balance this out with people discussing what the hospital wards were like when specific illnesses were ravaging patients? You are hyper focused on these potential ‘harms’ with nary a reference to what things were like before vacccines were developed. It’s not a very balanced viewpoint, to be real.
So much this! I received the "sugar cube" polio vaccine in the early 60s. It had not been around that long. But my generation's parents knew just how bad polio actually was. They saw friends and family members die and become paralyzed from the disease. The risk of contracting it in the south was fairly high, especially if you lived in rural areas. We were lined up to get the vaccine as soon as possible. It was the same with the measles vaccines and mumps and rubella (then called German measles or 3 day measles). When I received each of these, they were separate vaccinations, not the MMR as we know it today. I remember getting them all. When they first came out, they were given at school with a gun kind of thing to all the kids. I think maybe your parent had to sign a permission slip, but the parents weren't even there when the shots were given.
They gave us all these vaccines because they knew people who had horrible effects from these diseases. They knew something parents of today don't seem to realize because they haven't known people with these diseases. My parents knew that all these diseases were much worse than the vaccines. Consequences of these were death, blindness, serious birth defects, paralysis, etc. My generation's parents would have laughed at this whole discussion because they knew the truth about the diseases and current generations just can't even imagine it.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:09 am to crazy4lsu
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reading and rereading an immunology and/or microbiology textbook
Good idea, just ordered a used one from Chegg. And I do appreciate all the discourse.
For the record, I am not anti-vax - my grown children were vaccinated. But, like the OP, I believe it is time to ask more questions due to the absurd advice given by public health authorities these last few years.
In any case, I hope you, and others in the medical field, will be open to the idea that some of what you learned should be revisited with some input from scientists outside of the prevailing dogma.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:22 am to IlikeyouBetty
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My son is autistic and has never had a vaccine in his life.
Same here. So I honestly can say vaccines did not "cause" my son's autism.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 10:32 am to CatfishJohn
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People, in their grief over the diagnosis, want something tangible to blame. It’s called “bargaining”.
Not grief or bargaining.... It is what it is. We were lucky our child has done very well in life. I am simply telling you the vaccine makers are in cahoots with the government that mandates all these vaccinations. Some children are genetically predisposed to have adverse reactions when 6 vaccinations are dumped in their developing bodies at the same time 4x's before the age of 3.
You can say it is coincidental. I understand that. What you cannot say is why the number of autistic kids is exploding with the increase in required vaccines.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:11 am to crazy4lsu
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crazy4lsu
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In each case, the illness is always worse than the vaccine side-effects....
You would have been better off reading and rereading an immunology and/or microbiology textbook for the last four years rather than seeking confirmation of what you want to hear.
Get off your Ivory Tower. Stop the nonsense and misleading of those desperate for actual info and truth on the Vax Industry AND Dark Agenda.
Big Pharm's MO is the same as ALL other controlling mechanisms (like gubmint):
1. CREATE the Problem (Virus),
2. CREATE the "Cure" (Vax)
3. The "Cure's" adverse / fatal reactions aren't a "bug"; they are THE Feature. From Smallpox ---> Polio ---> Covid 19 (let's NOT forget -- Covid 19 is PATENTED. Not coincidentally, so are the vaxxes (Documented Truth!)
tPTB MO: WASH---> RINSE---> REPEAT
Your "education" on Vaccinations OR the way REAL "health care" industries work is sorely lacking (then again in your initial defense, we've all been "educated", indoctrinated, and gaslit to great degrees).
That said --
Can you provide any REAL stats or actual studies? Deaths & injuries? Explanations on the lack of accountability and liability by Vax Manufacturers? The ongoing systematic fraud that's attempted to hie the dark and dangerous studies & results?
Are you even familiar with Vax ingredients? Your ignorance on the whole CV-19 Scam itself is mind-blowing.
The paradigm of your so-called "medical knowledge" and area of expertise is extremely limited -- but importantly, ZERO background or credentials within the crucial field of Virology -- germane to this Vax Issue.
You are also not aware or privy to the major information battles (i.e. indoctrination / propaganda) that's been waged by Big Pharma, the AMA, the CDC, WHO censorship on all of the aforementioned info upon all of mankind (especially in 2020).
Whistle-Blowers and actual researchers have been heavily censored, driven off the main web search engines, threatened, AND WORSE. But you wouldn't know any of this from your Bubble.
Fortunately legit info, stats, studies and research IS still available -- if one knows where to look.
Anyone who pays you and your Vax "guidance" the least bit of attention in this thread is severely mislead, playing Russian Roulette with their kids/grandkids/themselves' lives.
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:16 am to LaLadyinTx
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I received the "sugar cube" polio vaccine in the early 60s. It had not been around that long. But my generation's parents knew just how bad polio actually was...
...They gave us all these vaccines because they knew people who had horrible effects from these diseases.
I also remember that sugar cube...And of coyrse, the scripted narratives we were all told.
(Below -- a brief on Polio history)
Polio – a true investigative history
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:18 am to Liberator
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:22 am to Jake88
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they question it with little to no knowledge save for what they read on sensationalist websites.
Lol...
Heeding muh-Authoritah/Institutions "Truth" = Staying in your Lane = Playing it "Safe" = Lemming cliff / Walking-into-the-Oven
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:23 am to Liberator
Do vaccines cause autism? Did vaccines save us from deadly childhood infections? What the research really shows...
Questions and Answers About Vaccinations
Questions and Answers About Vaccinations
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:24 am to crazy4lsu
Fraud
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:27 am to Liberator
A link to the substack of the founder of "VaxTruth.org," which is now a defunct domain
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:27 am to ShermanTxTiger
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I am simply telling you the vaccine makers are in cahoots with the government that mandates all these vaccinations
Some children are genetically predisposed to have adverse reactions when 6 vaccinations are dumped in their developing bodies at the same time 4x's before the age of 3.
You can say it is coincidental. I understand that.
What you cannot say is why the number of autistic kids is exploding with the increase in required vaccines.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:28 am to Liberator
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Get off your Ivory Tower.
No.
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Your "education" on Vaccinations OR the way REAL "health care" industries work is sorely lacking (then again in your initial defense, we've all been "educated", indoctrinated, and gaslit to great degrees).
Lol
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Can you provide any REAL stats or actual studies?
Can you? Provide me with a serious source for once.
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The paradigm of your so-called "medical knowledge" and area of expertise is extremely limited -- but importantly, ZERO background or credentials within the crucial field of Virology -- germane to this Vax Issue.
You dumb shite, describe for me the difference between molecular biology and virology. I can guarantee I know more about virology than you. Again, I asked you a very simple question several posts ago, which you have yet to answer. It is still on the table.
To repeat it: What is the process by which you develop immunity to a virus?
I don't think you can answer this in a serious manner. You will hem and haw around it, but the answer requires knowledge from both micro and molecular biology.
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Whistle-Blowers and actual researchers have been heavily censored, driven off the main web search engines, threatened, AND WORSE. But you wouldn't know any of this from your Bubble.
Post their studies then.
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Anyone who pays you and your Vax "guidance" the least bit of attention in this thread is severely mislead, playing Russian Roulette with their kids/grandkids/themselves' lives.
Nah.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:36 am to idsrdum
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Good idea, just ordered a used one from Chegg. And I do appreciate all the discourse.
If you can, try to get this. LINK
I don't think there are too many changes from the 2017 to 2021 version. I think it is a superb introduction.
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In any case, I hope you, and others in the medical field, will be open to the idea that some of what you learned should be revisited with some input from scientists outside of the prevailing dogma.
I'm open to any and all ideas, but they need to have some cogency for me to take them seriously. And the prevailing dogma has lots of reproducibility with very few discontents, with the big ideas mostly worked out. Without a long line of evidence, presented in a very specific way, it will be difficult for anyone to take it seriously.
FWIW, there are serious discussions, revolutions, counter-revolutions, etc., that take place within every new release of a major journal in science. There is plenty of space, in what amounts to a very self-interested, very cutthroat arena, to say something against the prevailing dogma, but the reality of what is actually claimed is very small. As in, in order to finally make a big claim, you need a long serious of very strong small claims, which have reproducibility, in order to introduce a new framework. These discussions happen all the time and about what might seem to be minor language differences, but within self-contained fields are gigantic steps. There is every reason to trust that system, because it is the only system that we have that actually does correct itself, with time.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:36 am to Liberator
Your sources are absolutely terrible. My god.
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:38 am to crazy4lsu
But...but...
crazy4lsu is supposed to be an Med Care- EXPERT right down to its biological molecular essence! (btw -- "bio" = LIFE. There IS no "life" in the ingredients -- only Death.)
What?? You don't know the theory and mechanism of how so-called Vaxxes work?
Apparently not.
You are unable to research OR access studies ANY of the dynamics -- across the board.
(Try accessing The Great Virology Research BEYOND --those "approved" med books won't help you.)
crazy4lsu is supposed to be an Med Care- EXPERT right down to its biological molecular essence! (btw -- "bio" = LIFE. There IS no "life" in the ingredients -- only Death.)
What?? You don't know the theory and mechanism of how so-called Vaxxes work?
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You dumb shite, describe for me the difference between molecular biology and virology. I can guarantee I know more about virology than you.
Apparently not.
You are unable to research OR access studies ANY of the dynamics -- across the board.
(Try accessing The Great Virology Research BEYOND --those "approved" med books won't help you.)
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:39 am to crazy4lsu
Well duh, all the physicians and researchers who debunk big pharma's vax trickery in "reputable" journals get a gag order. The only source for real info is substack and 4chan
Scale it back, this line made it too obvious. You're going to lose your fish if you do too much
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Try accessing The Great Virology Research BEYOND --those "approved" med books won't help you.
Scale it back, this line made it too obvious. You're going to lose your fish if you do too much
This post was edited on 1/25/24 at 11:41 am
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