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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:00 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:00 pm to WeeWee
Yea tell me about it. Whether you like the union or not, it is what it is. Me personally I have a back up plan until they call me back. I was told by my grandpa(RIP) when I was younger and getting into this industry to always have a trade or skill for things like this. He lived through the strike in '80 with 6 kids. I think I can manage to survive and use my skills to support a family of 5.
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Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:03 pm to BobABooey
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When the contract is finally approved, will the union members receive pay from the company for the time they were on strike and didn't work?
Absolutely not. Private companies don't act like the Federal government. The workers won't get paid for lost wages, and may even get less pay than what companies were originally willing to offer. It all depends on the approved contract.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:19 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So what you're saying is a union hasn't done anything meaningful in 70 years?
So, they haven't done anything meaningful in 70 years, get rid of them.
They are currently trying to do something meaningful, get rid of them.
Consistent and fair fatigue rules, on an industry wide scale, would be a huge win for workers rights in this country. Am I wrong here?
I do believe that OSHA should get involved, but that will be a huge uphill battle. For all I know the union is petitioning them, but I do not keep up with it.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:27 pm to fightin tigers
So plant workers aren't subject to OSHA laws? They don't have mandated breaks, etc? What's wrong with their working conditions?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:37 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So plant workers aren't subject to OSHA laws? They don't have mandated breaks, etc? What's wrong with their working conditions?
Nope
OSHA 12 Hour
A unit operator writing over 20 work permits in a shift is not safe. His job is on the line with every I not dotted and T not crossed.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:39 pm to Saints72
So they get no lunch or other breaks in a 12 hour shift? I find that hard to believe as I see many of them out for lunch when I'm in reserve
This post was edited on 2/21/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:42 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So they get no lunch or other breaks in a 12 hour shift? I find that hard to believe as I see many of them out for lunch when I'm in reserve
Actual 12hr rotating Shift employees are not allowed to leave during their shifts for lunch.
some days you have plenty of time for breaks and lunch, and some days you don't.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:44 pm to Saints72
But they do get a lunch, correct?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:46 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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But they do get a lunch, correct?
Not required to provide you with one or time to eat it.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:47 pm to Saints72
I'm not asking if they're required to, nobody in LA is required to. Do they get a lunch break?
What I'm saying is, in an average day, do they get to eat lunch?
What I'm saying is, in an average day, do they get to eat lunch?
This post was edited on 2/21/15 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:49 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So plant workers aren't subject to OSHA laws? They don't have mandated breaks, etc? What's wrong with their working conditions?
Ok, so here it goes...
Every plant has their own fatigue plan based off of a national suggestion. It spawned from BP Texas City.
The main theory is that after 14 days one day must be taken off. While this usually holds true, it can be manipulated by the schedule makers (i.e. company).
So, for a turnaround, lets make it 28 days long you could theoretically hit 4 seventh days. (Which, buy pay schedule is double time).
So, after 13 days your supervisor comes and says that you must take a fatigue day tomorrow, thus negating your seventh day pay. While you haven't worked 14 days in a row yet, it is justified in the name of safety since not everyone can take a day off at the same time.
Also, the day you were forced to take off was a regularly scheduled work day. So you are not being paid for a regularly scheduled day because of poor planning in staffing on the companies part.
So you ask, how much money could you lose, several thousand dollars in the course of a month in this scenario. Object to the pay, really don't care.
Now, the safety aspect of this. While hourly employees are held to this standard many sites do not hold their salary people to this standard.
Some of the highest stress jobs with the biggest chance of frickups are salary. So, while the guy in the field is too fatigued to work a 15th day, the guy running the show is on day 55 and no end in sight.
Fwiw, the BP Texas City accident was due in large part to a frickup at a position that is largely salary across the industry, and he was cited as having fatigue from too many days in a row.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:53 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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What I'm saying is, in an average day, do they get to eat lunch?
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Twelve Hour Work Shift Laws
by Owen Pearson, Demand Media Google
When you make scheduling decisions to meet your company's staffing needs, you might consider requiring employees to work 12-hour shifts. This can help minimize the need for hiring additional employees to cover shorter shifts, helping your company save on recruiting, hiring and benefit costs. Although there are no laws that specifically address 12-hour shifts, several laws can affect your scheduling decisions.
Breaks
No federal law requires you to provide employees with meal breaks or rest periods, regardless of how long your employees work. Breaks are simply concessions for employees that can help them maintain productivity and morale. However, if you provide rest periods of about five to 20 minutes, these periods must be considered as paid work time. You do not have to pay employees for meal breaks, which are usually 30 minutes or longer.
Weekdays for ops can be very busy, I throw a few protein bars in my bag.
Nights/Weekends we eat plenty.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:53 pm to fightin tigers
FT,
What you been doing? Tried to email you a few weeks back. Not sure if I have your correct email address.
What you been doing? Tried to email you a few weeks back. Not sure if I have your correct email address.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:56 pm to Saints72
So if you were forced to choose a job where you worked 8 hours a day, hour lunch break, and made 40k a year, or what you do now in its current form, which would you choose?
Posted on 2/21/15 at 2:58 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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do they get to eat lunch?
Many days I have gone without time to eat, therefore I did not eat lunch.
You learn to get by.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 3:00 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
All the time they spend sleeping is not technically called a break...so no.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 3:02 pm to Sarsippius
I will add that this is not always the case, but where I work ops does what they want when they want.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 3:02 pm to fightin tigers
While working at a nuke plant the NRC implemented a fatigue rule. They are government and will fine if the plant exceeds. I can not really recall the limits but each Dept had different requirements.
Posted on 2/21/15 at 3:04 pm to LateArrivalforLSU
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What you been doing? Tried to email you a few weeks back. Not sure if I have your correct email address.
New job, new city, same BS.
fightintigers23 yahoo should work. My email is screwed up, have to force check it when I remember
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