re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **

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Being in a refinery and being a black belt you should be making mid 6 figures.

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Black belt doesn't always relate to high pay. I was looking into my green belt as hourly scum when I left my last job.

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Ive asked her to acknowledge how many of those fatalities were based on human factor causes

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I'm not going to call the plants benevolent...someone getting hurt in their facilities costs a lot of money and brings a lot of government eyeballs. So the incentives are there for plants to keep their employees safe.

In the ten years that I have been in the plants, you see the vast majority of injuries are related to unsafe acts by those who were hurt. Some of it is poor training, some of it is equipment failure, but most is operator error.

There are many hard working, extremely intelligent men and women walking around those plants and the work is far more complex then this board's general opinion. The money is there because of that complexity, potential hazards, and shitty hours. This doesn't take away from how difficult or cumbersome anyone else's job is, it's just a fact that for whatever downtime there is for people who work long stretches of long shifts, those jobs are not so easy that any fool could do them, nor are they so complex that you have to be a genius to do either.

Are you asking me? I can only answer on the ones I know of first hand by reading documents or seeing for myself. Which would be
Bp Texas city was human error
Marathon Garyville contractor did not see grading removed.
Pasadena - the operators where not wearing proper PPE

I must say well said.

Please do not take this statement in the wrong way! Did you eat Your wheaties in the last 10 mins? You are on a roll!

No, I'm usually just too cynical to actually try to have a real conversation here. With people on this board having a little jealousy about O&G pay and some extremely vocal O&G morons on this board, any time operator discussions come up, we are usually all cast as idiots and no matter of discussion will change it. So usually I don't bother.

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re: ** 9 plants STRIKE ** USW strike (Posted on 2/1/15 at 9:06 pm to biohzrd)

Hey razor pig....there are certain people in this world who try and suck out any kind life from anything and your my sir are one of those people. You are the type that takes a jab at anyone who is asking for anything to be better their lifestyle or wage.

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I'm assuming your comment was meant for me, judging by your attempt at an insult, (which isn't insulting, btw ), although you replied to someone else, so I'm gonna go ahead & respond. ... I call it like I know it; it isn't "taking a jab." If the truth regarding how unions operate & their true motives upset you, I suggest you study up on your own union, & talk to impartial employees who won't try to fill you full of propaganda & inaccuracies. ... I wish nothing but the best for anyone employed by manufacturing & production facilities, but not at the expense of what is best for the overall good of the companies and ALL of their employees. Unrealistic, unreasonable, unfair, & frankly, ludicrous demands by many unions are not conducive to the success of the company, nor any of its employees, union or not.

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Why do you care? Are you in this career field?

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I've had a bit of experience in this field, and with union/management negotiations.

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I've had a bit of experience in this field, and with union/management negotiations.

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Translation, HR

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I really feel bad for some of the young girls that are put in bad positions.

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Why? They will be much better engineers after doing a few days or weeks on the unit. It never hurts to get a more intimate understanding of how humbling some of that equipment can be to work on or next to rather than just look at it on a PMCD.