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re: U.S. considering using force to protect Syrian rebels hit by Russia
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
All part of lulling you into thinking that they don't exist. Meanwhile their acolytes are in charge of both the Russian and American governments.
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:03 am to Pettifogger
quote:That's what the KGB want you to think.
they prefer FSB now
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:12 am to Darth_Vader
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The 90's are long gone. Russia has not quite regained the military strength that it had in the 80's. But it's not far from it. And while Russia has spent the last decade or so rearming and modernizing it's military, NATO (including the US) have been cutting back their own forces. for all intents and purposes, western Europe is all but disarmed. Even the US forces permanently based in Europe are pathetically weak. In all of Europe the only ground forces left is one airborne brigade in Italy and one armored cav regiment in Germany. And that cav regiment doesn't even have any tanks.
The Russian military still has lots of catching up to do with getting modernized across the board.
Throw in the fact the huge influence of conscripts in its ranks, that is not good for invading foreign countries.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:14 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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That's what the KGB want you to think.
Knock knock
who's there
KGB
KGB who?
::slap:: we ask the questions!
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:15 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Faced with a US economy (and military, fueled by that economy) they could never beat, the KGB realized that the only way to advance internationalist communist objectives was to remove the US threat by sabotaging it from within. This was a long play that had to begin with the removal of the USSR from the scene. See: for as long as the USSR was in existence, the US would perceive communism to be a real, existential threat, but if it wasn't around, the guard against both the physical reality of the Soviet Union and the philosophical/cultural threat of socialist thinking would go down. Next, you erode Americans' ability to think by infecting the school system with useful idiots who will expound your ideology to impressionable youth, and begin work on molding useful idiot politicians with a grievance against the prevailing culture who will take up the banner of socialism and seek high office from which they can do damage to their own mother country. Enter: Obama. Meanwhile the KGB - Putin - bide their time until we're weakened and have become socialists as well and no longer their enemy. At that time they re-emerge and being re- assembling the old Soviet client states on their march toward victory for Marxism.
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:15 am to Cooter Davenport
oh he might be serious
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:20 am to Cooter Davenport
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Faced with a US economy (and military, fueled by that economy) they could never beat, the KGB realized that the only way to advance internationalist communist objectives was to remove the US threat by sabotaging it from within. This was a long play that had to begin with the removal of the USSR from the scene. See: for as long as the USSR was in existence, the US would perceive communism to be a real, existential threat, but if it wasn't around, the guard against both the physical reality of the Soviet Union and the philosophical/cultural threat of socialist thinking would go down. Next, you erode Americans' ability to think by infecting the school system with useful idiots who will expound your ideology to impressionable youth, and begin work on molding useful idiot politicians with a grievance against the prevailing culture who will take up the banner of socialism and seek high office from which they can do damage to their own mother country. Enter: Obama. Meanwhile the KGB - Putin - bide their time until we're weakened and have become socialists as well and no longer their enemy. At that time they re-emerge and being re- assembling the old Soviet client states on their march toward victory for Marxism.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:22 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The Russian military still has lots of catching up to do with getting modernized across the board.
Throw in the fact the huge influence of conscripts in its ranks, that is not good for invading foreign countries.
And they're rapidly catching up. In fact, on the ground, they've already caught up with the West. They're not quite there in regards to air power. but their advantage in ground forces are huge, including a massive amount of very modern SAMs that can negate our advantage in air power.
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Throw in the fact the huge influence of conscripts in its ranks, that is not good for invading foreign countries.
They're conscripts, but they're also trained conscripts. And they've got a shite ton of them. As Stalin himself once famously said "Quantity has a quality all its own". And this is only made worse by the massive cutbacks in NATO forces in Europe since the fall of the Soviet Union. Russia has been busy for over a decade rebuilding it's forces. And while they've been rebuilding, we've been continuing to cut forces, especially ground forces. And while air power can make the difference in a war, it cannot by itself win a war... not like one that would be fought in Europe against a massive army equipped with modern weapons. The deciding factor in a general European war will be ground forces. And that's where Russia enjoys it's huge advantage.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:27 am to Darth_Vader
If the chips are down, China will fight Russia.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:30 am to Darth_Vader
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And they're rapidly catching up. In fact, on the ground, they've already caught up with the West. They're not quite there in regards to air power. but their advantage in ground forces are huge, including a massive amount of very modern SAMs that can negate our advantage in air power.
They only have what 2 modernized divisions, come on man thet have a long way to go.
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They're conscripts, but they're also trained conscripts. And they've got a shite ton of them. As Stalin himself once famously said "Quantity has a quality all its own".
Well trained is a stretch bc most of them are only in for two years or so and they dont want to be there. You would be right if it was a conscript army defending its homeland.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:44 am to StraightCashHomey21
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They only have what 2 modernized divisions, come on man thet have a long way to go.
You're mistaking their force reorganization for weakness. They're going away from divisional structures to brigade structures. They've got 85 combat brigades ready to go and that number is growing. Compare that number to one airborne brigade and one cav regiment of US forces in Europe.
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Well trained is a stretch bc most of them are only in for two years or so and they dont want to be there. You would be right if it was a conscript army defending its homeland.
Russia has a history of it's army being conscripts. Even in WWII their army was made up of mostly conscripts. They still beat the shite out of a smaller enemy who had for the most part better equipment and better trained troops.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:49 am to Darth_Vader
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Russia has a history of it's army being conscripts. Even in WWII their army was made up of mostly conscripts. They still beat the shite out of a smaller enemy who had for the most part better equipment and better trained troops.
bc they were defending the homeland not invading other countries
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:56 am to StraightCashHomey21
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bc they were defending the homeland not invading other countries
Russian soldiers are known for a dogged attitude of following orders, even suicidal orders. And if they're imbued with a sense of regaining past Soviet/Russian glory, they'll go where ordered. If Mother Russia wants them to march to the Elbe, or even the Rhine or the Seine, they'll do it or die trying. Don't sell the average Russian soldier short. History has proven that they are one of the toughest war fighters on the planet, even their conscripts.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 10:59 am to Spaceman Spiff
The Nutless Wonder we have for a president will never do this. He has been made a fool of by Putin and he just needs to accept it. Putin called his bluff because he knew he was a pussy so he doesn't need to overreact now trying to prove he's the man. I would let China and Russia kill all the muslims they wanted to kill.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:00 am to Cooter Davenport
Bolsheviks doing work!
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:00 am to Darth_Vader
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As Stalin himself once famously said "Quantity has a quality all its own".
Exactly. The Finns straight-up humiliated them, but who won in the end?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:04 am to Darth_Vader
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Compare that number to one airborne brigade and one cav regiment of US forces in Europe.
Do other countries in Europe not have a military?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:08 am to Breesus
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Do other countries in Europe not have a military?
Very little. Even Germany has a little over 60,000 full time active duty soldiers. Not even the Treaty of Versailles weakened them to that point.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:09 am to Breesus
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Do other countries in Europe not have a military?
Not really. Not that IGAF, I'd rather fight for middle eastern oil than those pussies in Europe.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:09 am to Darth_Vader
Well then they can pay us to defend their counties or they can raise a military or they can get taken over
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