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re: U.S. considering using force to protect Syrian rebels hit by Russia
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:09 am to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:09 am to Spaceman Spiff
Russia will frick us up
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Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:16 am to Macintosh504
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Russia will frick us up
There's no chance of them coming to the US in some sort of "Red Dawn" type operation. This isn't even on their radar. What is on their radar is regaining their past Soviet era power. Putin wants to regain Russian control over Eastern Europe ans supplant the US as the major world power of decision in the Middle East. And unless we're ready to make some very difficult decisions, there's not much we can do to counter him.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
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Putin wants to regain Russian control over Eastern Europe ans supplant the US as the major world power of decision in the Middle East.
We've done such a great job I wouldn't want him messing up the peace and harmony we've established
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:23 am to Breesus
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Do other countries in Europe not have a military?
No, not really.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:25 am to Darth_Vader
quote:They've overwhelmed people with sheer numbers while taking heavy losses. I wouldn't call that a masterful strategy.
Don't sell the average Russian soldier short. History has proven that they are one of the toughest war fighters on the planet, even their conscripts.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:27 am to blueboy
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They've overwhelmed people with sheer numbers while taking heavy losses. I wouldn't call that a masterful strategy.
I was not speaking to the overall strategy of the Russian command structure. I was speaking to the historic traits of the individual Russian soldier.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:28 am to Darth_Vader
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nd unless we're ready to make some very difficult decisions, there's not much we can do to counter him.
Unfortunately, Darth, there isn't a truer statement that will ever be made on this mess. We all know how meaningless this adminstration's "lines in the sand" are...
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:36 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Unfortunately, Darth, there isn't a truer statement that will ever be made on this mess. We all know how meaningless this adminstration's "lines in the sand" are...
And that's exactly what's got us in this position. As long as the world sees the US as being a strong power that backs up it's words with deeds, things in the world tend to remain stable. But when the world sees us as being weak, things tend to start going bad. And for the past almost 8 years, we've been seen as being VERY weak, almost feckless. Now we're in a position that either we continue to show weakness on the world stage and surrender the Middle East to Russia and it's allies. Or we stand up, risk war with Russia, and then live with the disastrous consequences that come from that war. Neither option is a good one. But that's where we find ourselves today thanks to Obama and his disastrous foreign policy over the last several years.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:36 am to Breesus
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every defenseless country
that has economic resources we can exploit.
This post was edited on 10/2/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:40 am to Corch Urban Myers
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every defenseless country
that has economic resources we can exploit.
If not our national interests, what should be the deciding factor in foreign policy? It's sad to say, but there's too many people nowadays who have some warped idealized outlook when it comes to international affairs.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:50 am to Darth_Vader
I wasn't being critical of it. It's just how the world works. Why should we waste billions to go to war if there is no tangible economic benefit to it?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:57 am to Spaceman Spiff
The Middle East is such a waste land inhabited by people who are incable of lining up with our way of life. We have no reason to be there.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 11:58 am to Darth_Vader
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we continue to show weakness on the world stage and surrender the Middle East to Russia and it's allies.
This is what will happen. Bookmark it.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:04 pm to baobabtiger
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The Middle East is such a waste land inhabited by people who are incable of lining up with our way of life. We have no reason to be there.
The Middle East is a very strategically important part of the world. You do realize this, right?
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:04 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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we continue to show weakness on the world stage and surrender the Middle East to Russia and it's allies.
This is what will happen. Bookmark it.
It's not what "will happen". It's what's already happening right now.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:20 pm to Darth_Vader
BTW... While the world is paying attention to what Russia is doing in Syria, they just did this in the Ukraine...
LINK
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Russia has moved a new weapons system equipped with thermobaric warheads into rebel-held Ukraine while the world's attention remains on its airstrikes in Syria, international monitors say.
The Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe - which is monitoring a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine - reports its monitors have seen a mobile TOS-1 Buratino system for the first time.
The Buratino features thermobaric warheads which spread a flammable liquid around a target and then ignite it. It can destroy several city blocks in one strike, causing indiscriminate damage.
LINK
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:24 pm to Darth_Vader
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It's not what "will happen". It's what's already happening right now.
My point exactly. While I am not advocating war with Russia/China/Syria/Iran, it may yet very well come down to that. While the "let them have the ME" arguments make sense, nobody realizes the importance of that area.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:28 pm to Darth_Vader
I still stand by the opinion of not giving a frick if Russia wants to frick with Syria. I don't give a shite how it "makes us look." As far as I've seen in the past 15 years, from world perspective. America is damned if we do, damned if we don't
I am not worried about Russia's military, or their imperialism of area's that I don't think we should be in anyway. The US's global influence speaks for itself, and Russia going into Syria won't ultimately change that, IMO.
I am not worried about Russia's military, or their imperialism of area's that I don't think we should be in anyway. The US's global influence speaks for itself, and Russia going into Syria won't ultimately change that, IMO.
Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:30 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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While the "let them have the ME" arguments make sense, nobody realizes the importance of that area.
can you explain to me the importance, besides oil? I am not saying you are wrong or anything, I genuinely would like to know because I am uninformed on many things regarding these matters.
And you guys might look at my previous post as being ignorant too, and that is okay.
that is just how I feel in my somewhat uninformed state. Posted on 10/2/15 at 12:35 pm to Funky Tide 8
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can you explain to me the importance, besides oil? I am not saying you are wrong or anything, I genuinely would like to know because I am uninformed on many things regarding these matters.
And you guys might look at my previous post as being ignorant too, and that is okay. that is just how I feel in my somewhat uninformed state.
The Middle East's importance from a strategic standpoint starts and ends with oil. Period. But, having said that, the importance of oil for the entire world cannot be overstated. People can hate oil all they want. That still own't change the fact that without oil, the entire modern world would come to an end.
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