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Posted on 3/30/21 at 4:17 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 4:17 pm to
As far as the rebuke of NWS Birmingham for abandoning NWS Chat, I believe that is entirely politically-motivated and is more-or-less a business decision. NWS higher-ups said in the article that they are "in the process of evaluating off-the-shelf products that can replace NWS Chat." That likely means the NWS is currently taking bids, and they don't need, nor want, any of their offices messing up those efforts by using another product and undermining those efforts. Nevermind that doing so is a detriment to their ultimate goal.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 4:58 pm to
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NWS Birmingham
@NWSBirmingham
According to our database, maintained by lead forecaster Mark Linhares, the Hale County to Shelby County long-track tornado from the March 25 event ranks at #7 for the longest single tornado track in the state!
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:06 pm to
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the less-than-desirable coverage (below 6,000 ft.) in Southwest Alabama

That’s not even that terrible of a radar hole compared to many others in this country.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:19 pm to
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That’s not even that terrible of a radar hole compared to many others in this country.

Tell that to them. The graphic they used also included all NWS radars on the lowest tilt, which makes the actual coverage area look even smaller.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:30 pm to
Damn near half of the top 10 are from April 27th
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:45 pm to
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Damn near half of the top 10 are from April 27th




That was a bad day & hope we don't see another like it.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 5:48 pm to
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Damn near half of the top 10 are from April 27th

Remember this, and many other stats and facts from that day, when many on Twitter and elsewhere start with the "April 27, 2011 all over again" lines. That was, by every metric and parameter, the perfect setup for violent, long-track tornadoes. You could not have set out to design a more perfect setup if you had the power.
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:04 pm to
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Damn near half of the top 10 are from April 27th

April 3, 1974 looks like it was another bad day.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:12 pm to
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April 3, 1974 looks like it was another bad day.



My Pops was in the thick of both in North AL. He and my grandmother stood in their backyard and counted funnel clouds in 1974. My Mom and other grandmother were calling them crazy for being outside.

Fortunately, my Mom was out of town for April 27 and the days following when we were without electricity.

I have a friend whose parents lost their home in 1974. Then again in 2011. She would lose her own home in another area to another tornado a few years later.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:15 pm to
Radio coverage from 1974 during ongoing tornado outbreak and damage in Tanner, AL:
YouTube

Imagine relying on landline payphones and radio broadcasts to keep spotters in touch with broadcasters.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 6:36 pm
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:27 pm to
One of the most violent tornadoes ever was the Guin, AL tornado on the night of April 3, 1974. Dr. Ted Fujita, creator of the Fujita scale for rating tornadoes, went to see the damage in Guin for himself. I’m not sure if it is entirely true, but it was rumored that he considered adding an F-6 to the scale after he saw the damage there.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 7:58 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:34 pm to
There has been alot written about the Guin tornado. Somewhere I saw an anniversary special on it, and some of the stories people told were unbelievable.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:38 pm to
This is a good one about April 3, 1974:
An Night of Stark Terror

Many of the April 27, 2011 tornadoes took very similar paths.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:53 pm to
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Patrick Ellis WLBT
@PatrickEllisWx
Possible tornado crossing US 49 in far northern Forrest County, near the Covington County line just after 6 PM.

Camera: Laken Burns; Hattiesburg
@wlbt

@wdam

@NickLilja

@NWSJacksonMS
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:53 pm to
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:57 pm to
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
61613 posts
Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:04 pm to
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After the first High Risk day we had, he took to Twitter and posited a question. He, like just about anyone else who had ever dealt with radar in the states of AL and MS, looked at the radar that day and saw the less-than-desirable coverage (below 6,000 ft.) in Southwest Alabama, and immediately set about equating it to institutional racism within the NWS and Federal Government at large. He, along with another met student buddy of his, created a slick map showing radar voids in the US, specifically the Southeast. Mind you, there are plenty of voids across the country where radar coverage is less-than-ideal, but their map highlighted that specific void where it would draw the reader's eye. They then pointed out the "poor, rural area inhabited mostly by a large minority population". Fine, you have an idea and you have certain opinions. But, that "research" was picked up and published by Forbes essentially as fact. Forbes took what those two said and ran with it, even using the questionable graphic. That is not good.


Not to mention, plenty of white ppl live in radar weak areas as well. Where I live is a perfect example

Why can’t these frickers just say this tornado rich area needs better radar coverage and it’s a shame NWS/Federal government haven’t done something about it and leave it at that? Wouldn’t that be a MUCH less divisive cause? I’d argue that you piss off AT LEAST 40% of the country by immediately making it about race. Why cost yourself these ppl who might otherwise support your cause?

This country is so fricked
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
61613 posts
Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:06 pm to
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r violent, long-track tornadoes. You could not have set out to design a more perfect setup if you had the pow


Out of curiosity how do you think the day sets up if we magically don’t have the early morning round of storms? Would it have been even worse? About the same?

I kinda figure the latter cause I don’t really see how it could’ve been much worse
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
61613 posts
Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:07 pm to
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April 3, 1974


Spann basically credits this day for him being a met
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:14 pm to
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Out of curiosity how do you think the day sets up if we magically don’t have the early morning round of storms? Would it have been even worse? About the same?

It would have been about the same. That was just one of those days days when everything was right.
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