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re: UCF rape allegations - what do you think of the story?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:42 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:42 pm to upgrayedd
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Yeah, that goes a long way in destroying her credibility
One thing that gives her credibility is that she came downstairs crying and told some people that it happened. They are known as outcry witnesses. Their stories will be a deciding factor.
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Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:42 pm to jbgleason
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never printed victims names
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aren't even identifying their gender
But they have no problem arresting and naming the "innocent until proven guilty."
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:43 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Often times there isn't if its not reported within 72 hours. That's why rapist are so hard to catch / convict. Even when DNA evidence is present the rapist can always say it was consensual.
And the accuser can also claim rape
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:44 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Contrary to what you might think, there is a lot of emotional issues rape victims have and generally they don't come forward at all, much less report it immediately. many that do report it immediately end up regretting it
Guess what? Her identity is hidden. Rape shield laws make sure of that. His isn't. It's his name that's dragged through the mud and he's the one whose image will be forever tarnished, even if he's acquitted or if the charges are dropped. The accuser has effectively ruined this man's life regardless of the outcome of the trial.
And if you think criminal law actually protects someone from being charged with a crime, just do some research. If I were cop or a prosecutor, do you know how easy it would be to get someone charged with a crime? A conviction is an entirely different matter, but once the publicity occurs, good luck rehabilitating your reputation.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:45 pm to Clyde Tipton
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The victim performed oral sex on Garces, hoping it would stop the attack, police said. But Garces continued to be aggressive
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:52 pm to Hangit
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One thing that gives her credibility is that she came downstairs crying and told some people that it happened. They are known as outcry witnesses. Their stories will be a deciding factor.
And none of her friends told her to go to the cops or to the hospital knowing that she had been raped before?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:57 pm to jbgleason
This story disgusts me....
I mean a "New Year's in July" party? How lazy are you guys?
I mean a "New Year's in July" party? How lazy are you guys?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 4:58 pm to SCLibertarian
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uess what? Her identity is hidden. Rape shield laws make sure of that. His isn't. It's his name that's dragged through the mud and he's the one whose image will be forever tarnished, even if he's acquitted or if the charges are dropped
such a broad argument. How is it the victims fault that arrest are public record and how public opinion affects people?
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The accuser has effectively ruined this man's life regardless of the outcome of the trial.
And the accuser has put herself out there for ridicule and public shaming after she had already been victimized by these two guys.
I'm not saying she was raped. I'm not saying she wasn't. What I am saying is that to judge this girl based off the snippet of what's reported is stupid.
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And if you think criminal law actually protects someone from being charged with a crime, just do some research. If I were cop or a prosecutor, do you know how easy it would be to get someone charged with a crime? A conviction is an entirely different matter, but once the publicity occurs, good luck rehabilitating your reputation.
Again, broad argument. I know exactly what it takes to get a person charged with a crime. In this case, obviously a judge found probable cause. Now, should that be enough to hang someone arrest be public record considering the ramifications of that kinda information could have on a persons future? Idk but it's a whole different discussion.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:03 pm to upgrayedd
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And none of her friends told her to go to the cops or to the hospital knowing that she had been raped before?
I was not privy to the conversation.
Apparently surveillance video caught her exiting, crying and being consoled by a group of males.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:05 pm to jbgleason
They have no problem printing the name of the accused but will not print the name of the victim.
What if the victim made up the charge? Then the accused is the victim.
How do you unprint the accused name?
What if the victim made up the charge? Then the accused is the victim.
How do you unprint the accused name?
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:08 pm to upgrayedd
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And none of her friends told her to go to the cops or to the hospital knowing that she had been raped before?
Is she a black female? What's her history with cops? What's her friends history with cops? Does she think the cops will help her? What's her level of intoxication? Is she worried she may be in trouble for drinking under age or smoking weed?
Obviously you can't put yourself in her place but rape victims don't always make the best decisions after the attack to preserve evidence and make sure they don't do things to jeapordize getting a conviction
Posted on 8/8/17 at 5:44 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Is she a black female? What's her history with cops? What's her friends history with cops? Does she think the cops will help her? What's her level of intoxication? Is she worried she may be in trouble for drinking under age or smoking weed?
2 weeks is a long time to sit on something like that. If the guy did it, I hope he gets what he deserves, but this is what pisses me off about this new "rape culture" nonsense. It muddies the waters between rape and regrettable sex.
What if it was consensual, then she flipped out in the middle of having sex and ran out? Now this guy is on the hook for something that didn't really happen.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:31 pm to upgrayedd
Can "what if" something to death and never be any closer to the truth. She knows what happened and those two guys. This is where diligent police work comes in and hopefully they conducted the necessary interviews and such and tries to cooberate her story the best they could. You mention "rape culture" but the backlash has had a huge effect on the victims.
The burden of proof is on the state. This victim may not have any proof other than her account of events. Which will be disputed of course by the only other people there besides her (the accused).
Again, good police work can do a lot to determine if her story is credible or not before going forward. If there is no imminent threat that the offenders may offend again then it doesn't hurt to take your time on things like this. None of us know if this was done and it won't be available to the public until trial. Hell, for all we know this girl may have 2 weeks worth of text message exchanges from the two guys where they admit to it and apologize. Maybe the cops have recorded conversations. We don't know but the "rape culture" push has created such a backlash that the pendulum has swung the other way. Now instead of believing all claims people look for reasons to not believe any claims.
Until you have sat on the phone at 2am with a rape victim trying to convince her not to kill herself after she saw the social media backlash about coming forward then I wouldn't expect it to resinate with you.
The burden of proof is on the state. This victim may not have any proof other than her account of events. Which will be disputed of course by the only other people there besides her (the accused).
Again, good police work can do a lot to determine if her story is credible or not before going forward. If there is no imminent threat that the offenders may offend again then it doesn't hurt to take your time on things like this. None of us know if this was done and it won't be available to the public until trial. Hell, for all we know this girl may have 2 weeks worth of text message exchanges from the two guys where they admit to it and apologize. Maybe the cops have recorded conversations. We don't know but the "rape culture" push has created such a backlash that the pendulum has swung the other way. Now instead of believing all claims people look for reasons to not believe any claims.
Until you have sat on the phone at 2am with a rape victim trying to convince her not to kill herself after she saw the social media backlash about coming forward then I wouldn't expect it to resinate with you.
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