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re: To Anyone Considering Suicide, This Is How Your Actions Torture Those Who Love You
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:09 am to fishfighter
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:09 am to fishfighter
I'm so sorry Fish.... I have two step children who are grown adults now( daughter 28,son24) there real dad wasn't around much when they were younger but is more involved now ... not a day goes by that I don't call or text them that I love them... you just never know
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:15 am to TigersSEC2010
What is your argument against suicide to those who have no family and are not particularly close to anyone?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:19 am to cj35
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What is your argument against suicide to those who have no family and are not particularly close to anyone?
I will tell you right now neither of your arguments matters in the least. when youre at the brink all morality and rationality has fallen by the wayside. people arguing either way need to stfu and listen to the wisdom being shared in here and learn. stupid fricking morality plays are the exact kinda shite people are pushed over the edge by.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:33 am to BowDownToLSU
Not that this is a contest but I'm at a sibling & an uncle who took Suicide 101.
The outcome of the act itself becomes the definition of selfish to the survivors but given the state of mind of both of my close relatives, I understand (or believe) that they were not in a rational place when they made their decisions.
Their intent was not to punish us, therefore their intent was not selfish.
The uncle was a twin, the surviving twin has had a tough row to hoe.
I can't/won't imagine if it were a child of mine.
The outcome of the act itself becomes the definition of selfish to the survivors but given the state of mind of both of my close relatives, I understand (or believe) that they were not in a rational place when they made their decisions.
Their intent was not to punish us, therefore their intent was not selfish.
The uncle was a twin, the surviving twin has had a tough row to hoe.
I can't/won't imagine if it were a child of mine.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:37 am to AUTiger45
LINK
this was basically what it was like for me. All good on the outside but a mess on the inside. I was sitting in that movie and saw that scene and lost it. I ended up reaching out to my brother. He got me discreet help. He helped pay my bills and took my dogs in for a while when I was getting it. It was very humbling but one of the things that helped me through was knowing that there were people out there who would literally do anything to see me better.
this was basically what it was like for me. All good on the outside but a mess on the inside. I was sitting in that movie and saw that scene and lost it. I ended up reaching out to my brother. He got me discreet help. He helped pay my bills and took my dogs in for a while when I was getting it. It was very humbling but one of the things that helped me through was knowing that there were people out there who would literally do anything to see me better.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 10:44 am to cj35
Postsecret has interesting stuff.
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What is your argument against suicide to those who have no family and are not particularly close to anyone?
A return to the light - The Legend of Bagger Vance
When one door closes, another opens. But we often look so regretfully upon the closed door that we don't see the one that has opened for us.
Honestly if you have nothing then you have unimaginable opportunity. There is nothing anchoring you down from achieving greatness, from taking chances. Go all out, you have nothing to lose, no excuses for why you couldn't at least try. When you are trying hard is when you are really living.
Roll the Dice - Motivational video
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:34 am to TigersSEC2010
I often wonder what's wrong with me.
I've had a total of 6 friends commit suicide. 2 were very close friends.
I didn't so much as shed a tear over it. Went to funeral, pretended to be upset, haven't hardly thought about it since. It actually bothers me that I don't feel anything.,.but literally nothing makes me sad. At all. I'm the type of person that could give you a hug or shoot you in the face and I'll feel the same from it...nothing. Just whatever
I've had a total of 6 friends commit suicide. 2 were very close friends.
I didn't so much as shed a tear over it. Went to funeral, pretended to be upset, haven't hardly thought about it since. It actually bothers me that I don't feel anything.,.but literally nothing makes me sad. At all. I'm the type of person that could give you a hug or shoot you in the face and I'll feel the same from it...nothing. Just whatever
Posted on 12/4/17 at 11:38 am to LC412000
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On the opposite side, since my wife passed in June, it has crossed my mind on occasion. While I feel bad for the father, I feel just as bad for the son. Just super brutal for all involved, really sad
My wife passed away almost 3 months ago. It was sudden and unexpected. Not suicide but still do not know what caused her death. The pain is nonstop.
I am not sure if I would be able to cope with what he is going through. So terrible for the family.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 12:26 pm to Fivestarschief
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Can you please explain to me how people who commit suicide are selfish?
Did you even read the OP? No matter where you stand on the matter, I have a hard time grasping how you can't look at the way that father is feeling and come to the conclusion that suicide is a selfish decision.
Even if you are suffering from some form of mental disorder, you are aware that when you pull the trigger, those you are close to will suffer.
Does he have the right to harm himself? Sure, I guess. Is he in a dark place and thinking irrationally? Yes. None of this changes the fact that killing yourself is a selfish decision.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:05 pm to theOG
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Did you even read the OP? No matter where you stand on the matter, I have a hard time grasping how you can't look at the way that father is feeling and come to the conclusion that suicide is a selfish decision.
Even if you are suffering from some form of mental disorder, you are aware that when you pull the trigger, those you are close to will suffer.
You couldn't be more wrong, did you even read any of the responses to the OP's post?
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:14 pm to TigersSEC2010
Part of me wants to respect the right of a person who has very thoughtfully considered the pros and cons and chooses to go out during the early/middle phase of a painful, terminal illness.
But most of me realizes how it is largely physically healthy young and middle-aged folks who are choosing a permanent solution to temporary problems.
Not only is it selfish and destructive (particularly to close friends and loved ones), it's irredeemably insulting - you're telling all those people who were willing to help you that suicide was the best way out - something they'll never be convinced of and never be able to refute your arguments.
The libertarian in me says it is an option that should remain available to all of us, but one that should never be used.
But most of me realizes how it is largely physically healthy young and middle-aged folks who are choosing a permanent solution to temporary problems.
Not only is it selfish and destructive (particularly to close friends and loved ones), it's irredeemably insulting - you're telling all those people who were willing to help you that suicide was the best way out - something they'll never be convinced of and never be able to refute your arguments.
The libertarian in me says it is an option that should remain available to all of us, but one that should never be used.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:15 pm to Paluka
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My wife passed away almost 3 months ago. It was sudden and unexpected. Not suicide but still do not know what caused her death. The pain is nonstop.
I am not sure if I would be able to cope with what he is going through. So terrible for the family.
Paluka
Thoughts and prayers are with you. My wife was also sudden and unexpected, not suicide but medical. I dove into reading of articles and books to help better understand. I came out of it feeling better about things, but does not stop the pain. My two pieces of advice that I am sure you have heard countless times now:
day to day - get through the day and get to the next day
you are not the first and will not be the last to go through this. Many others, much weaker than you, have gone through this crap and come out ok. So, if others have done it, just know that you can and will
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:24 pm to SetTheMood
So sorry to hear this. Heartbreaking. I pray that you and your family find some source of strength and comfort.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:26 pm to Ace Midnight
Ace, I agree with what you say but you can't expect an irrational person to act rationally. In that moment when they pull the trigger or swallow the pills that is the only way out they can see. Usually it is a culmination of years of struggling and fighting it. Maybe it is insulting and selfish but that argument only carries weight for so long when somebody is suffering that kind of mental anguish.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 1:35 pm to fishfighter
fISH -look into ketamine treatments.... sometimes they work miracles
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:49 pm to LC412000
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LC412000
Thanks Brother.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:01 pm to TigersSEC2010
Permanent solution for a temporary problem
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:18 pm to TigersSEC2010
Sucks for this man.
Nothing else you can say.
Regardless what you think, there's always someone out here wanting to help you.
It's a selfish act. Every person alive hurts abs has problems.
Nothing else you can say.
Regardless what you think, there's always someone out here wanting to help you.
It's a selfish act. Every person alive hurts abs has problems.
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