re: Tinder/bumble what's your strategy?

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Step 1: Be attractive.

Step 2: Don't be unattractive.

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The only strategy you need

Tinder/Bumble takes the 80-20 rule(where the top 20% of men get 80% of the pussy) and turns it into a 90-10 or 95-5 rule

Before online dating, women had to get dressed up, dolled up, and go out to bars and such and try to attract the best men they could get. Many women understood their range, for example a female 4 knew she wouldn't really be able to do much better than a male 5 or at the very best male 6.

But online dating has flipped the dynamic. Now ugly women can hold out. The female 4 who in the past would have known that she has to be realistic and be happy with a male 5 or 6, now can just sit back in her pajamas on her couch and hold out for the male 7 or 8 without having to put in effort.

If you arent attractive you arent going to have success on Tinder or Bumble

Well then what's your advice?

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you arent attractive you arent going to have success on Tinder or Bumble

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which is why I'm busy making money while you play on an app

It's so easy to get laid on those platforms.. Quite honestly, the easiest girls on there to get in their pants are the ones that say "not looking for a one night stand or FWB, and want marriage".. That pretty much is code for I'm trying not to be a whore anymore and my biological clock is ticking.

So if you're a total piece of shite like I was before I got married, on the first date do not try anything.. Just be funny, confident, and a gentleman. Take her out to a nice restaurant, open doors for her, pull her chair out, etc.

The next date, call her over and cook her a romantic dinner (clean your place up, you're supposed to look like a put together individual, maybe litter your counter with a little investment literature), pull out all the cheesy stops (candlelight, romantic comedy movie, ask her about her family and act very interested).. You'll be in her pants that night, and she will frick you with a passion, it's pretty much scientific law (so long as you're not an awkward weirdo).

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Well then what's your advice?

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1. Be attractive

2. What is most important is your photos, specifically your first photo. It should be the best photo you have of yourself. And it should be a candid action shot, not a selfie. I was with my plates and watched them use Tinder and there are so many losers on there whose main pic is just a selfie of with an outstretched arm or using their webcam sitting at their computer. A good first pic is something that demonstrates you are active, OR preselection. Primary pics I have used in the past: A pic taken of me on a boat with 2 attractive girls(preselection), a shirtless pic of me playing football on the beach(demonstrates I have fun) and a shirtless ab pic of me fishing at a lake(demonstrates I am in shape and have fun)

3. Your secondary pics should include at least one good face/headshot of you, a preselection pic if its not your primary pic(a picture of you having fun with other attractive women) and other candid shots that show you are an adventurous guy who likes to have fun.

4. Profile should be extremely short. Here was my profile: "28/6'0/Belltown". Just my age, height and neighborhood

5. I don't talk to girls I would match right away but that's just me, I want it to appear I have a busy life and am not just sitting around waiting for Tinder matches. I usually reach out to her a few hours after the match at minimum, sometimes as long as 24-48 hours

6. The opener doesn't really matter. What matters is that you get down to business. The fact that you matched with her already shows she has given you an indicator of interest, so don't waste time, don't beat around the bush, and just get to why you are there - to arrange a meetup. Forget the "getting to know you" banter, forget the "I don't want to move too fast" bullshite. You matched, she gave you an indicator of interest. She has literally let you know she is interested so why waste time.

7. My openers vary. Sometimes I address something in her pictures or profile "Nice boots". Sometimes I am a bit more aggressive and say something like "Nice arse". Sometimes I say "I cant remember why I swiped right on you". Regardless it doesn't matter. If she is truly interested it doesn't matter what you say to open as long as the opener isn't cringey and long and appears over invested. Keep it short and simple.

8. Once she replies you have 3 messages to arrange logistics for a meetup whether that be getting her number or setting plans. If you can't do it in 3 messages she isn't interested and is just there for validation or to find an orbiter for emotional support and resources

Here is how an actual successful Tinder convo/meetup of mine went which is a good model of how things should work

Me: Nice hair

Her: lol I bet you say that to every girl you match?

Me: Just the hot ones

Her: im flattered

Me: What are you looking for

Her: Don't know. open to anything

Me: Give me your number

Her: *number*

I then texted her "Meet me at Two Bells Tavern tomorrow night at 8:00" and that was that. Simple, to the point, didn't show I was too invested in the outcome

9. Ignore any shite tests like "Not interested in hookups" or "Don't message me if..." these are just ways to weed out the weak men. Ignore them all and proceed, she will drop those requirements for the right guy.

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So if you're a total piece of shite like I was before I got married, on the first date do not try anything.. Just be funny, confident, and a gentleman. Take her out to a nice restaurant, open doors for her, pull her chair out, etc.

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on the first date do not try anything.. Just be funny, confident, and a gentleman. Take her out to a nice restaurant, open doors for her, pull her chair out, etc.

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The next date, call her over and cook her a romantic dinner (clean your place up, you're supposed to look like a put together individual, maybe litter your counter with a little investment literature), pull out all the cheesy stops (candlelight, romantic comedy movie, ask her about her family and act very interested)

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shite advice is shite advice

I just can't even...

"There she is!"

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shite advice is shite advice

I just can't even...

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That's why I laughed. He is right, and wrong at the same time

Yes, the ones who put "NOT INTERESTED IN HOOKUPS!" are low hanging fruit, they put that because they are tired of being pumped & dumped by Chad, but will still "hookup" for the right guy.

I think the women he was referring to are the ones who have hit the wall and are desperately trying to find a man to settle down with because the clock is ticking(he got that right). They are desperate for a relationship and a provider. He is right in that they will frick you in order to try to lock you down. But you should never commit to them

Taking her to a restaurant(I always make her pay her share on the early dates), pull out her chair, all shite I would never do, would put me into "provider" territory. No thanks. Open doors yeah as common courtesy. And I always go for it on the first date. If a woman is truly into you she will frick you on Date 1. If not she is looking for a PROVIDER. There are exceptions to this but you won't find them on Tinder. And most women, except the committed religious ones, will frick you by Date 3 if they are attracted to you. If not BAIL OUT, she is looking for a provider.

My 2nd date with women is always at my place and I always cook a meal. I don't cook FOR her. She cooks WITH me. That's the date - we cook together and I show my leadership abilities by telling her what to do. No cheesy stops needed.

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Evidently you've never tried it. You can go all alpha and frick the girls that have been hit raw by half the men on Tinder, or you can go the route of fricking the wife material that has had very few dicks. I definitely believe you and I go after a very different class of woman. You're most definitely trash.

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You aren't going to find the wife material on Tinder or Bumble.

Even when talking about finding the wife material... I still wouldn't go about it that way. I'd want to make sure she was attracted to me physically instead of for my resources first before opening the door to commitment. By going all in on the nice guy/overinvestment "gentlemen" act in the first 2 dates you are going to either turn her off with your soft/weak frame or you are going to get slotted into the beta provider box for her.