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re: Three Arkansas officers suspended and under investigation after video shows use of force
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:11 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:11 am to WaWaWeeWa
Excessive force is very subjective. A cop bear hugging a criminal and slamming him to the ground could be construed as excessive force and some will try to charge him with it.
We should have zero cases like the video we saw.
We should have zero cases like the video we saw.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 8:17 am
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:12 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Under what circumstances is smashing his head, repeatedly, into the concrete acceptable?
I never said it was acceptable. I said these cops should be fired.
My gripe is with the people who say “frick the police you bunch of bootlickers, they need to be prosecuted and go to jail!”
I don’t think that approach solves anything and only creates more problems.
Y’all are suffering from availability bias. You think these events are much more common then they are because we don’t post every video of every normal arrest on the OT.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:13 am to eatpie
Yeah maybe if all cops are inherently good people. Too bad that's not the case.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:14 am to Proximo
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Most departments have body cameras now so most of your argument is out of the window
Who regularly don’t have them turned on.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:16 am to WaWaWeeWa
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they need to be prosecuted and go to jail!”
These three cops absolutely do though, and trying to defend the actions in THIS SPECIFIC VIDEO is an action of a bootlicker.
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I don’t think that approach solves anything and only creates more problems.
In this instance it does.
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Y’all are suffering from availability bias. You think these events are much more common then they are because we don’t post every video of every normal arrest on the OT.
I don’t. I think it’s rare as hell. And in that rare instance, they should charged and prosecuted for the crimes they committed. When you have power and authority, you should be punished harshly for abusing it.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:16 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You think these events are much more common then they are
Police misconduct is much more common than you are suggesting.
Excessive force isn't the only problem.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:16 am to Oilfieldbiology
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We should have zero cases like the video we saw.
Ok and what policies are you going to enact so that we have zero cases? And what do we do if when you enact those policies we still have an occasional case of excessive force?
You see my perspective is cases like this are inevitable because of the nature of the business. The business is violence. You are trying to gain control of someone against their will. By definition that involves violence. Some of you don’t want to accept that.
You pay high school graduates 60k to wrestle with murderers, schizophrenics, crack heads, etc. in a country of 350 million and you are shocked and appalled when a video comes out once every 6 months of a cop using excessive force?
You are delusional
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:17 am to BluegrassBelle
Sure, Belle. There is an epidemic of cops not turning on their cameras because they won’t be disciplined for that or anything on the hundreds of stops they make prior to an “event” like in the OP
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
You haven't answered your own question. How much excessive force is too much provided the community is kept safe?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:18 am to WaWaWeeWa
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What is the acceptable level of excessive force?
Technically, whatever is required to get compliance.
If people don't want violence that comes with law enforcement, they need to change the laws, and corresponding penalties.
If you want less police violence, reduce the need for interdiction.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:19 am to Displaced
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You haven't answered your own question. How much excessive force is too much provided the community is kept safe?
I’ll actually answer unlike you
I’m ok with the current level of excessive force in our community and I would be ok with more if it reduced the violent crime in our cities which is a bigger problem right now.
Because I understand the availability bias
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:21 am to WaWaWeeWa
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You see my perspective is cases like this are inevitable because of the nature of the business. The business is violence. You are trying to gain control of someone against their will. By definition that involves violence. Some of you don’t want to accept that.
He was subdued. He was under control. And in what world is repeatedly smashing his head into the concrete any type of proper training to “subdue” person? Will it work? Yes, but it will potentially kill him rather easily.
I’m not delusional. I know that it will happen. The goal should be zero, but I know it never will be. But someone in the position of authority should be held to a higher standard. The guy smashing his head repeatedly into the concrete and maybe the guy kneeing him should face charges.
Cops are people, just like you and I. Treat them just like you and I.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:21 am to Proximo
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Sure, Belle. There is an epidemic of cops not turning on their cameras because they won’t be disciplined for that or anything on the hundreds of stops they make prior to an “event” like in the OP
It is an issue. There’s been multiple departments across the country who have had to reform body-camera policies because officers were abusing policies that allow them to turn them off at key points of an incident.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Technically, whatever is required to get compliance.
“Excessive” would mean it is never acceptable.
Each situation is subjective though—facts and circumstances will matter. (And video to protect yourself if you’re a cop).
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
That's not an answer. How much exactly?
100% being every interaction where a contact doesn't comply with every single command of the officer be it legal or not.
0% being, well 0.
100% being every interaction where a contact doesn't comply with every single command of the officer be it legal or not.
0% being, well 0.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 8:23 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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people don't want violence that comes with law enforcement, they need to change the laws, and corresponding penalties.
Want the cops to act professionally and not abuse people when they are under control isn’t some pie in the sky desire.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:34 am to UndercoverBryologist
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You do that to my mom, I might just kill you
I hear you. I guess I probably wouldn't kill a cop but I sure as hell would get revenge one way or another if it wasn't the cops. I just don't see a way that you beat a cop with a baseball bat and get it away with it. I could beat Leroy Jenkins with a bat if necessary and get away it.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:34 am to pistolpete23
Lavern Spicer gets it
She is black FYI and running as a Republican for Congress in FL
She is black FYI and running as a Republican for Congress in FL
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:39 am to Oilfieldbiology
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He was subdued. He was under control.
Was he?
The video started in the middle of the interaction. How long had them been wrestling with him?
I could see a situation where they had been struggling with him for 5 minutes and we starting to get tired. Wether you want to accept it or not it’s a life or death situation. I’ve seen videos of a guy wrestling with a couple cops and he grabs their gun and kills one.
Again, I’m not defending their actions. Fire them.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:43 am to Proximo
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“Excessive” would mean it is never acceptable.
"Excessive" changes from situation to situation, its very subjective.
Whats excessive for a traffic stop may not be excessive for a violent felon. it also depends on resistance.
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