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re: This is why Black Americans dont trust the police

Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:45 pm to
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:45 pm to
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All they seem to want is to say the word privilege and get people fired.


A lot of them are idealistic young people who want to scream and shout about how the world isn't fair, but they don't have any idea about how to actually approach a solution. At its root it is simply immature, but I guess I can kind of see where some of the less crazy ones come from.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:46 pm to
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How about the cops that commit crimes be actually convicted of said crimes instead of minimal punishment. State governments can quit forcing the taxpayers to pay lawsuits and court fees for police, the feds could end the war on drugs, feds could ban military grade equipment being used by PDs, enact legislation that causes the loss of benefits if cops fail to report misconduct or commit crimes in uniform, both at the state/federal levels. The government could relinquish their monopoly on police services and allow private enterprise or even community patrols to police their own neighborhoods.

All things that need to be fixed from within. But you say you don't think that's how we should fix them. So I don't know what you're getting at.
Posted by mailman85
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2013
170 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:49 pm to
The one cop should be charged with assault.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:12 pm to
Get rid of the broken system that doesn't allow these issues to be addressed.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:20 pm to
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Get rid of the broken system that doesn't allow these issues to be addressed.

How realistic of you
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:24 pm to
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family and education


We can pass laws to improve education. Not sure what you do about family though besides beefing up Child Protective Services, which I'm totally for. Get this generation raised in good orphanages rather than shitty homes.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:24 pm to
How is it unrealistic? The only reason why anyone thinks this government or any societal system is necessary is because they were taught that.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:28 pm to
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Get rid of the broken system that doesn't allow these issues to be addressed.


Good luck with that.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:29 pm to
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How is it unrealistic? The only reason why anyone thinks this government or any societal system is necessary is because they were taught that.


Posted by FLBooGoTigs1
Nocatee, FL.
Member since Jan 2008
58621 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 5:34 pm to
The government refuses to address this system you wanna know why? A majority of these people are democrats that need and are dependent on government assistance. There you go gator. Why stop this works for both parties involved. Why do you think these same democrats in these poor, high crime, high unemployment areas continue to get elected and reelected?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
138106 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:30 pm to
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We can pass laws to improve education. Not sure what you do about family though besides beefing up Child Protective Services, which I'm totally for. Get this generation raised in good orphanages rather than shitty homes.


Well that mentality is kind of the problem. Relying on govt to solve a problem that's primarily a personal one is the reason we're in the situation we're in now.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138106 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 6:32 pm to
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How is it unrealistic? The only reason why anyone thinks this government or any societal system is necessary is because they were taught that.



God luck with your idealism.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
2961 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:34 pm to
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But yet, y'all will go out there and vote for here like a bunch of idiots and y'all will go vote Democratic, regardless of who the candidate is.
Yeah FYI, I"m not black brah. But yeah keep pulling the race card, you master baiter.

Plus you act like the Dems or Reps aren't corrupt, but yeah keep thinking that your vote actually matters. I don't see how any grown adult can sit there and listen to the 'debate' and not think that the shite is rigged. Both Dems and Reps are screwing the american citizens, sending more jobs overseas, supporting Big Pharm and the military industrial complex. You want to continue to say that blacks vote this or whites vote this, its all a shame. Look at who we have given billions of dollars too, all the while we have problems here that could of been easily fixed if we spent that money on, you know, the US citizens.

Seriously, yall want to bitch about the BLM, yet why aren't yall protesting? The point to it all is cops vs the citizens, and police brutality. So what if black people kill their own more than cops, but does that give the cops a right to overstep their job and become judge/jury/executioner all in one? Then the one guy said that white people protest by changing legislation, but when has this happened?
There are still cops killing and brutalizing white people, so I don't see how this protesting through legislation is working.

But yeah sainttiger, keep defending that POS hilary and her treason. But hey if you me, or any black guy ever did that, we would be in jail. FOR SURE.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
2961 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:38 pm to
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How is it unrealistic? The only reason why anyone thinks this government or any societal system is necessary is because they were taught that.
The less gov't the better. But that will never happen again the USA. The gov't will keep getting more and more bloated and keep costing the taxpayers more and more of you/our money. But yes you are right, most people are brainwashed from an early age to believing certain things, like needing a large and overly intrusive gov't to take of you, or same with main stream organized religion. Get to them when they are young and dumb.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:40 pm to
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Well that mentality is kind of the problem. Relying on govt to solve a problem that's primarily a personal one is the reason we're in the situation we're in now.


See, this is a perfect example of how our ideals differ, but we can still disagree like adults!! I love this kind of conversation!! My favorite people to talk to are the ones who disagree and do so objectively with good arguments without resorting to emotional bullshite.


I would argue that when an entire generation of degenerate youths are being raised by other degenerate youths that it is the government's role to step in and stop the cycle. We need productive citizens, and if the situation has become so extreme then the government has to intervene.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138170 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:45 pm to
I am for government run boarding schools for wayward youth, but I know that I am in the small minority
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:49 pm to
I just feel bad for kids who are raised in that situation, they never have a chance in life. I would be all for any religious or secular orphanage getting federal funding to raise kids properly. We'd save money on welfare and have better citizens growing up into adulthood who might have a chance at life.


And it de-inventivizes breeding for welfare.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138170 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:50 pm to
I agree. They are not born as bad seeds. They sadly just don't know any better
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138106 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:51 pm to
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See, this is a perfect example of how our ideals differ, but we can still disagree like adults!! I love this kind of conversation!! My favorite people to talk to are the ones who disagree and do so objectively with good arguments without resorting to emotional bullshite.




Agree


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I would argue that when an entire generation of degenerate youths are being raised by other degenerate youths that it is the government's role to step in and stop the cycle. We need productive citizens, and if the situation has become so extreme then the government has to intervene.

That's certainly one way to look at the solution but I don't think turning those types of problems over to govt is a smart move. They've been proven failures in these social experiments such as the war on poverty. I'm not necessarily against govt helping private or faith based organizations but turning people's futures over to bureaucrats seems like a recipe for disaster.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138170 posts
Posted on 9/30/16 at 7:52 pm to
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but turning people's futures over to bureaucrats seems like a recipe for disaster.
we already do just that

It is called the criminal justice system
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