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re: This is the ONLY answer to school shootings
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:06 am to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:06 am to TDsngumbo
It might help some, but in NO WAY can you consider it the answer. I don't think you realize how big schools are, and how they are laid out. This school has 3000 students. Campus spread out with multiple entrances and exits. To cover them all, it would take way more resources than are available or affordable.
I don't think some of you understand the undertaking to cover every square foot of the school, and every entrance and exit. Someone that has the intent to kill can wreak havoc, even if there are numerous guards or policeman on duty.
And in almost every picture you posted, the policeman was severely under gunned against the shooter.
Look, I'm in favor of it if feasible. It may help in some situations. But it's not the answer.
I don't think some of you understand the undertaking to cover every square foot of the school, and every entrance and exit. Someone that has the intent to kill can wreak havoc, even if there are numerous guards or policeman on duty.
And in almost every picture you posted, the policeman was severely under gunned against the shooter.
Look, I'm in favor of it if feasible. It may help in some situations. But it's not the answer.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:06 am to TDsngumbo
Good guys with guns, who'd a thought? We could learn a thing or two from Israel when it comes to security.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:06 am to Breesus
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Breesus
I'm curious what your stance is here, i tried a brief glimpse throught your post history but havent found it
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:07 am to TDsngumbo
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What about requiring multiple armed officers in each school takes away our freedoms and puts massive amounts of corruptible powers into the hands of government?
Are you serious?
I can understand if you're advocating for less freedom and more governmental power as your response to this tragedy, plenty of people are doing just that, but are you too ignorant to understand what you're asking for or are you being intentionally obtuse?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:08 am to TxWadingFool
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Good guys with guns, who'd a thought? We could learn a thing or two from Israel when it comes to security.
Please explain what Israel does that is so effective?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:08 am to TDsngumbo
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CHILDREN are precious and need to be protected.
Better put those precious children in a bubble then.
Mr. Cruz was a precious child once. How'd that work out?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:09 am to RATeamWannabe
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I'm curious what your stance is here,
My stance on what exactly?
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i tried a brief glimpse throught your post history but havent found it
What are you looking for. I'm always happy to discuss stuff on here and I'm never one to hide my beliefs.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:09 am to Festus
Well said festus
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:11 am to Breesus
On a solution. If one is possible. I'm not accusing you of hiding anything, I just haven't found where you say "I think we should ----"
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:11 am to Breesus
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I can understand if you're advocating for less freedom and more governmental power as your response to this tragedy, plenty of people are doing just that, but are you too ignorant to understand what you're asking for or are you being intentionally obtuse?
There's a bit of a hypocritical stance being taken here by the folks that are desperately lashing out against any additional gun control measures. They feel it's their right to pack whatever size and type of gun they want because changing that would intrude on their constitutional rights, but are ok imposing additional measures that burden and restrict the kids we're trying to protect via expanding unreasonable searches
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:11 am to TH03
My highschool had a cop. But then he had to bust up an absolute brawl and while stopping the fight he put one of the kids against a coke machine.
When all was said and done, it was determined he did so with too much force. He was removed and replaced with an unarmed rent a cop "security company" guy.
When all was said and done, it was determined he did so with too much force. He was removed and replaced with an unarmed rent a cop "security company" guy.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:13 am to tigerinthebueche
Start a branch of the Natl. Guard that is trained to protect schools.
food for thought
it is a state agency
the policy can be created by local leadership
officers can be trained specifically by security experts, not law enforcement
food for thought
it is a state agency
the policy can be created by local leadership
officers can be trained specifically by security experts, not law enforcement
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:15 am to Festus
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I don't think some of you understand the undertaking to cover every square foot of the school, and every entrance and exit. Someone that has the intent to kill can wreak havoc, even if there are numerous guards or policeman on duty.
to this point, Cruz (per the Miami Herald) waited till school was dismissing (around 14:20) when security would be most lax. Entered through a side door, shot kids on floor one and two while en route to the third floor where he exited by blending into the crowd of fleeing students.
Point being, you can't stop this sort of maniacal killer intent on harm. You CAN make them less effective, but this guy was fricking nuts. He'd have done this regardless.
And I have no doubt he'd have used a bomb to kill if he didn't have his AR.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:18 am to TDsngumbo
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:19 am to Chucktown_Badger
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Please explain what Israel does that is so effective?
(It's the gun control)
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:19 am to TDsngumbo
Destined for dystopia.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:20 am to Pelican fan99
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saving even one kids life would make it worth it
What a flippant position
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:21 am to TDsngumbo
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This is the ONLY answer to school shootings
Or, you know, stricter gun control laws.
Read a little bit about Australia’s laws. You can own a semi automatic, but you have to have legitimate proof as to why.
I essentially assume everyone is a dumbass, and I don’t think dumbass’s need semi automatic rifles. But I think it’s a good compromise that if you can give a legitimate reason why you need one besides “murica and guns and beeeer” then you can have one.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:21 am to Cocotheape
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(It's the gun control)
That's what I was thinking, but I'm not sure that's what he meant.
Israel has much more strict gun ownership laws than the US and their ownership levels are a fraction of what it is in the US. So anyone holding up Israel as the model is advocating for both strict gun control and an armed presence (both of which have validity in my mind because you need be BOTH vigilant in finding/stopping these people and also limiting their ability to access the weapons).
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:22 am
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:24 am to RATeamWannabe
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On a solution.
There isn't one.
Violence is a part of our existence. It's going to happen. It's a brutal and tragic fact of reality. And the more freedom we have the more likey such an event may happen. But I do not agree that we should sacrifice our freedoms in response to a specific event.
The guy could've taken household products, made a bomb, stuck it in a book bag, and taken out more people at an assembly. He could have driven a car into the school yard, he could've poisoned the lunches. He could have just started swinging with a hammer until someone stopped him. He could've stabbed a room full of people with a knife.
There's a million ways a lunatic can hurt people. Short of putting every kid in a secure isolated cell and cutting out all socialization there's no way to protect them from every possible occurrence.
If some psycho wants to hurt people he's going to do it. You cannot legislate that away. Whatever legislative road blocks you come up with, some psycho will find a way around it.
Giving up our freedoms and putting armed guards everywhere won't help.
I don't know the solution. But I do believe I know part of the problem. Mental health is abhorrently underfunded and misunderstood in this country. We have a problem with a lack of understanding of therapy, a massive over diagnosis and over prescribing problem, and a general lack of self awareness and responsibility in this country.
For some reason our society has decided to teach children and constantly reinforce into society the idea that nothing is your own fault, everyone is exactly equal, and anytime you have a problem it's because you're less than someone else. These ideals are dangerous. Teaching people that everyone is exactly equal and all problems are inherently someone else's fault is not only objectively false, but it creates an unsustainable world view. And when that view is shattered it rocks someone to their core. And there are some people who just cannot handle that foundation shake. And of those people there are some who lash out. That lashing out is a symptom. And you don't get rid of a problem by treating the symptoms.
Treating and discussing and legislating the symptoms rather than the underlying cause does nothing to help anyone.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 11:25 am
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