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Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:21 pm to UpToPar
How is doing background checks the same way for semi automatic weapons as we already do for automatic weapons in any shape, form, or fashion a SEVERE infringement on the second amendment?
You still get your gun. Or will there be temper tantrums because you need your gun and you need it right now?
You still get your gun. Or will there be temper tantrums because you need your gun and you need it right now?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:21 pm to Chucktown_Badger
The side that says it’s already entirely too regulated.
Also, the side that isn’t placing blame on inanimate objects.
Mine have been loaded in my house for years and haven’t killed anyone yet.
Also, the side that isn’t placing blame on inanimate objects.
Mine have been loaded in my house for years and haven’t killed anyone yet.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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All you'll do is create a lucrative and very dangerous black market controlled by unsavory people. People have learned nothing from the drug war
Many of the guns that end up on the gun trade (which is already a thing) were straw purchases.
But we cannot discuss ways to prevent that?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:23 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Sure. How would you stop straw purchases?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:25 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Also, the side that isn’t placing blame on inanimate objects.
No one is blaming the gun. The gun is functioning just as its supposed to in virtually all of these cases.
It's no different than putting cold medicine behind the counter. The active ingredient used to make meth does exactly what it's supposed to do, it's just that we know what certain people are going to do with it so we attempt to limit their access.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:25 pm to Chucktown_Badger
interestingly enough over 1600 murders were comitted with knives in the US last year
and 374 with rifles.....
how many people died from drunk driving? drug over doses? there own stupidity?
if somehow the answer is banning rifles i am slightly shocked... like... this much heated debate for something that on the spectrum of a country with over 200m residents... for 374 deaths.... and it didn't specify the magazine capacity of said rifles... i have two safes filled with various toy and hobby items... having a range store them... would require significant infrastructure.. and is neither feisable or practical.
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and 374 with rifles.....
how many people died from drunk driving? drug over doses? there own stupidity?
if somehow the answer is banning rifles i am slightly shocked... like... this much heated debate for something that on the spectrum of a country with over 200m residents... for 374 deaths.... and it didn't specify the magazine capacity of said rifles... i have two safes filled with various toy and hobby items... having a range store them... would require significant infrastructure.. and is neither feisable or practical.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:26 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The second amendment protects the right to bear arms. It does not guarantee you getting said gun in a certain amount of time, nor does it guarantee not having to jump through hoops to get it.
The 19th Amendment protects the right to vote. It does not guarantee that you get to exercise that right in a certain amount of time, nor does it guarantee not having to jump through hoops to do so. See how that works?
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Felons aren't allowed to have guns. Are you guys ok with that? Just curious how tied to the 2nd amendment and it's protections you guys are.
I think even the felon restriction is a bit overbroad. I think it should be limited to violent felonies and maybe a select few others. But I'm okay with violent felons losing their right to own guns just as they lose several other rights.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sure. How would you stop straw purchases?
I know they happen and are a problem, but I've never purchased a gun so I cannot go into detail on the solution.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:27 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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No one is blaming the gun.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:28 pm to Indfanfromcol
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How is doing background checks the same way for semi automatic weapons as we already do for automatic weapons in any shape, form, or fashion a SEVERE infringement on the second amendment?
You still get your gun. Or will there be temper tantrums because you need your gun and you need it right now?
Let's pretend your daughter moves to a shady part of town, or is required to go to a shady part of town for work. Or, lets pretend that your daughter recently broke up with her boyfriend and he has threatened to harm her. Now lets pretend she goes to a gun store to purchase a gun for her protection, but instead the gun store owner tells her that she has to wait a year to get the gun. You don't think her right to protect herself has been infringed upon?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:29 pm to UpToPar
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You don't think her right to protect herself has been infringed upon?
The 2nd amendment does not speak to a right to protection, it speaks to her right to bear arms.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:30 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The 2nd amendment does not speak to a right to protection, it speaks to her right to bear arms.
Which has been interpreted to include the right to self protection in Heller.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:31 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I know they happen and are a problem, but I've never purchased a gun so I cannot go into detail on the solution.
Nothing personal, but I've found the people who have the strongest anti gun opinions are the ones least qualified to discuss them.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:31 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The 2nd amendment does not speak to a right to protection, it speaks to her right to bear arms.
Are you ok with literacy tests, background checks, strict grueling bureaucracy, long waiting periods, and semantic arguments about the meanings of your specific rights before you can enact your right to vote or free speech or refusal to quarter soldiers or against unreasonable search and seizure?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:32 pm to UpToPar
Brave man. Throwing facts and rulings into arguments with those that are arguing with nothing but emotions and news stories. Best of luck sir.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:32 pm to UpToPar
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I think even the felon restriction is a bit overbroad. I think it should be limited to violent felonies and maybe a select few others
I completely agree that non violent felons shouldn't lose their gun rights
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:33 pm to UpToPar
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I think even the felon restriction is a bit overbroad. I think it should be limited to violent felonies and maybe a select few others. But I'm okay with violent felons losing their right to own guns just as they lose several other rights.
Thanks for the honest answer. But then it gets into, well, the 2nd amendment is not as written in stone as many would have us believe.
And I digress, because the second amendment isn't at issue here, given no one is saying ban all guns.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:34 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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And I digress, because the second amendment isn't at issue here, given no one is saying ban all guns.
nevermind, saw the next post
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 1:35 pm to UpToPar
You’re either describing scenarios that are easily avoidable by not taking that job or not moving to the area, or scenarios that you should contact the police immediately.
Why does a gun have to be the only god damn solution to problems? Yeah, there are issues that only guns can solve. Completely agree and will not hide that fact. But everything you just described doesn’t have to be “go buy a gun” problem. There is an argument for a gun with the ex boyfriend, but there are also women’s self defense classes and other weapons out there that aren’t semi automatic.
Why does a gun have to be the only god damn solution to problems? Yeah, there are issues that only guns can solve. Completely agree and will not hide that fact. But everything you just described doesn’t have to be “go buy a gun” problem. There is an argument for a gun with the ex boyfriend, but there are also women’s self defense classes and other weapons out there that aren’t semi automatic.
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