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re: The state sanctioned mafia known as River Pilots are shaking down the chemical industry

Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:58 am to
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:58 am to
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No but I have steered 600’ of 60k bbls of diesel up and down the Mississippi River.

a 600 foot tanker would be about 50,000 deadweight tons and be able to hold around 300,000 bbls of diesel.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
50055 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:59 am to
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Doesn't say it's not shared with everyone.

Nothing wins an argument like semantics
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171955 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:59 am to
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Doesn't say it's not shared with everyone.



Are you dense?

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with fathers more willing to share vital information about traffic and river conditions with sons and sons-in-law than with outsiders less loyal to the organization.


That's exactly what this statement is saying.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:00 am to
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And I'm guessing you also sent a message to thatmakesense to shut the hell up? You've been noticeably silent to some of the things that SFP posted last page. Comment?


Meh if you don’t like it then just go marry one of the pilots daughters and you’ll get your shot.
Posted by Mac
Forked Island, USA
Member since Nov 2007
14785 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:00 am to
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Are you dense?


I think he is very dense, tbh
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:01 am to
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a 600 foot tanker would be about 50,000 deadweight tons and be able to hold around 300,000 bbls of diesel.



Where did I say “tanker”?
Posted by YoungManOldMan
Member since Dec 2017
1882 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:01 am to
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You ever steered a boat with 20,000 tonnes of cargo on it?




Yes. My fat arse family on a pontoon boat for Easter weekend.
Posted by Mac
Forked Island, USA
Member since Nov 2007
14785 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:02 am to
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Meh if you don’t like it then just go marry one of the pilots daughters and you’ll get your shot.


Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:02 am to
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I design and test propulsion systems for the vessels they are clicking the buttons on and my frickup could override anybodys knowledge of anything and put a 450' atb through the side of the new bridge at full ahead.

well part of the reason they get paid what they get paid is for their knowledge of what to do when propulsion and steering systems fail. which happens all the time
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:04 am to
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Where did I say “tanker”?

well this thread is about ship pilots. nobody cares about push boat baws
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:04 am to
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:05 am to
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it's just that the market should be open based on qualifications and not nepotism. that ensures that this dangerous job is handled by the most qualified persons 


The qualifications are still met by the relatives. Unless you show me a quote that says, some 23 yr old kid is making 500k/yr because his daddy pulled some strings. I'd venture to guess that's not the case.

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their duty is to share this information with all their apprentices/hands. they are brazenly claiming they would withhold this information from non-relatives because...no real explanation other than "family" (which is bullshite) 


Safety is #1, by far. I highly doubt pertinent information is with held in order to value the family more so than the outsiders. The outsiders are more than qualified to handle their job, especially if they were able to break into such a neopotic organization.
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
76564 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:05 am to
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Meh if you don’t like it then just go marry one of the pilots daughters and you’ll get your shot.


Damn, someone is just a little bit defensive...

Good argument though.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:06 am to
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The pilot guy held a damn grudge, that's for sure.

Crooks usually do when you try to derail their gravy train.

At least they're robbing from the chemical plants instead of stealing little old lady's purses. One way or another, they're going to get over on someone.

Pieces of shite.
Posted by LPTReb
Member since Jul 2016
486 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:06 am to
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well part of the reason they get paid what they get paid is for their knowledge of what to do when propulsion and steering systems fail. which happens all the time


Sounds like they need to take some of that money and fix up their boats.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466936 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:07 am to
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The qualifications are still met by the relatives. Unless you show me a quote that says, some 23 yr old kid is making 500k/yr because his daddy pulled some strings. I'd venture to guess that's not the case.


LINK

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Losing candidates usually are older and have more maritime experience and higher grades of U.S. Coast Guard licenses than the winners, according to a review of pilot application files. In this year's NOBRA election, for instance, the five losing candidates had an average of 15 years of experience, versus 5.3 years for the winners.


you were saying?
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:08 am to
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with fathers more willing to share vital information about traffic and river conditions with sons and sons-in-law than with outsiders less loyal to the organization.



That's exactly what this statement is saying.


You do understand that river pilots are not the only people on communications, correct?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:09 am to
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Sounds like they need to take some of that money and fix up their boats.



They’re called ships and the pilots don’t own them. 99% of the ships that come up the river are foreign flagged with non English speaking crews. Hence the importance of the River Pilots.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:11 am to
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candidates had an average of 15 years of experience, versus 5.3 years for the winners.


Experience doesn’t make them better pilots
Posted by Captain Crackysack
Member since Oct 2017
2231 posts
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:11 am to
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Sounds like they need to take some of that money and fix up their boats.

im not a pilot but its amazing how most of you literally have no idea what a pilot even does, yet you bash them every chance you get. these ships come from all over the world. 99.9% of them have foreign crews (chinese, filipino, indian, etc.) some ships are kept in great shape, some are not maintained well at all. even a brand new ship can experience mechanical issues at any time. ole captain sanjay gupta is not gonna have the slightest clue about the safest course of action once his ship loses steering downbound on the fricking mississippi river, at night, with a 8kt following current, traffic ahead, and the pillars to the huey p long bridge right off to starboard
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