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re: The state sanctioned mafia known as River Pilots are shaking down the chemical industry
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:58 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:58 am to tgrbaitn08
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No but I have steered 600’ of 60k bbls of diesel up and down the Mississippi River.
a 600 foot tanker would be about 50,000 deadweight tons and be able to hold around 300,000 bbls of diesel.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:59 am to ThatMakesSense
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Doesn't say it's not shared with everyone.
Nothing wins an argument like semantics
Posted on 4/3/18 at 9:59 am to ThatMakesSense
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Doesn't say it's not shared with everyone.
Are you dense?
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with fathers more willing to share vital information about traffic and river conditions with sons and sons-in-law than with outsiders less loyal to the organization.
That's exactly what this statement is saying.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:00 am to LCA131
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And I'm guessing you also sent a message to thatmakesense to shut the hell up? You've been noticeably silent to some of the things that SFP posted last page. Comment?
Meh if you don’t like it then just go marry one of the pilots daughters and you’ll get your shot.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:00 am to TH03
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Are you dense?
I think he is very dense, tbh
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:01 am to Captain Crackysack
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a 600 foot tanker would be about 50,000 deadweight tons and be able to hold around 300,000 bbls of diesel.
Where did I say “tanker”?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:01 am to ThatMakesSense
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You ever steered a boat with 20,000 tonnes of cargo on it?
Yes. My fat arse family on a pontoon boat for Easter weekend.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:02 am to tgrbaitn08
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Meh if you don’t like it then just go marry one of the pilots daughters and you’ll get your shot.

Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I design and test propulsion systems for the vessels they are clicking the buttons on and my frickup could override anybodys knowledge of anything and put a 450' atb through the side of the new bridge at full ahead.
well part of the reason they get paid what they get paid is for their knowledge of what to do when propulsion and steering systems fail. which happens all the time
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:04 am to tgrbaitn08
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Where did I say “tanker”?
well this thread is about ship pilots. nobody cares about push boat baws
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's just that the market should be open based on qualifications and not nepotism. that ensures that this dangerous job is handled by the most qualified persons
The qualifications are still met by the relatives. Unless you show me a quote that says, some 23 yr old kid is making 500k/yr because his daddy pulled some strings. I'd venture to guess that's not the case.
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their duty is to share this information with all their apprentices/hands. they are brazenly claiming they would withhold this information from non-relatives because...no real explanation other than "family" (which is bullshite)
Safety is #1, by far. I highly doubt pertinent information is with held in order to value the family more so than the outsiders. The outsiders are more than qualified to handle their job, especially if they were able to break into such a neopotic organization.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:05 am to tgrbaitn08
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Meh if you don’t like it then just go marry one of the pilots daughters and you’ll get your shot.
Damn, someone is just a little bit defensive...
Good argument though.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:06 am to TheCaterpillar
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The pilot guy held a damn grudge, that's for sure.
Crooks usually do when you try to derail their gravy train.
At least they're robbing from the chemical plants instead of stealing little old lady's purses. One way or another, they're going to get over on someone.
Pieces of shite.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:06 am to Captain Crackysack
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well part of the reason they get paid what they get paid is for their knowledge of what to do when propulsion and steering systems fail. which happens all the time
Sounds like they need to take some of that money and fix up their boats.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:07 am to ThatMakesSense
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The qualifications are still met by the relatives. Unless you show me a quote that says, some 23 yr old kid is making 500k/yr because his daddy pulled some strings. I'd venture to guess that's not the case.
LINK
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Losing candidates usually are older and have more maritime experience and higher grades of U.S. Coast Guard licenses than the winners, according to a review of pilot application files. In this year's NOBRA election, for instance, the five losing candidates had an average of 15 years of experience, versus 5.3 years for the winners.
you were saying?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:08 am to TH03
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with fathers more willing to share vital information about traffic and river conditions with sons and sons-in-law than with outsiders less loyal to the organization.
That's exactly what this statement is saying.
You do understand that river pilots are not the only people on communications, correct?
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:09 am to LPTReb
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Sounds like they need to take some of that money and fix up their boats.
They’re called ships and the pilots don’t own them. 99% of the ships that come up the river are foreign flagged with non English speaking crews. Hence the importance of the River Pilots.
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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candidates had an average of 15 years of experience, versus 5.3 years for the winners.
Experience doesn’t make them better pilots
Posted on 4/3/18 at 10:11 am to LPTReb
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Sounds like they need to take some of that money and fix up their boats.
im not a pilot but its amazing how most of you literally have no idea what a pilot even does, yet you bash them every chance you get. these ships come from all over the world. 99.9% of them have foreign crews (chinese, filipino, indian, etc.) some ships are kept in great shape, some are not maintained well at all. even a brand new ship can experience mechanical issues at any time. ole captain sanjay gupta is not gonna have the slightest clue about the safest course of action once his ship loses steering downbound on the fricking mississippi river, at night, with a 8kt following current, traffic ahead, and the pillars to the huey p long bridge right off to starboard
This post was edited on 4/3/18 at 10:13 am
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