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re: The Ordeal Of Matthew Starkweather
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:34 pm to FalseProphet
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:34 pm to FalseProphet
The article is very much slanted towards the defendants; no one knows what other evidence there may be that may be damning, but based on what is presented to us in the article alone you would have to be a fool to believe Starkweather deserves to be charged with murder. His two associates I could see, but a man who was assaulted with a knife to the neck? Get real. You're speculating and completely biased do to your previous mentality on motorcycle "gangs".
With that said, you don't keep someone locked up for a substantial amount of time without trial for no reason. There HAS to be more to the story.
With that said, you don't keep someone locked up for a substantial amount of time without trial for no reason. There HAS to be more to the story.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:40 pm
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Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:36 pm to StealthCalais11
Do you believe that a "motorcycle club" who readily had knives and shotguns at their disposal isn't a gang?
We aren't talking about a bunch of dudes sitting around at a hunting camp here.
We aren't talking about a bunch of dudes sitting around at a hunting camp here.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:39 pm to FalseProphet
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Do you believe that a "motorcycle club" who readily had knives and shotguns at their disposal isn't a gang?
I'm not saying that they aren't in a gang, but PLENTY of Americans have shotguns and knives readily available in their houses.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:39 pm to FalseProphet
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Did you read the other link posted. It paints a much different picture than your article.
What picture would that be?
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On a separate point, if all non club members were ordered out, including the dead Guy's wife, do we really believe the testimony of the guys left and the survivor?
Unless there's forensics evidence that contradicts their claims, yes. The fact all non-patch holders are asked to leave when there is trouble between patch holders of a club is nothing out of the ordinary. Basically it boils down to clubs do not handle internal conflicts in front of nonmembers.
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I'd think a criminal enterprise loaded with knives, rifles and shotguns wouldn't be the most apt to tell the truth to police in the aftermath.
Criminal enterprise? What crimes where they committing? Is it a crime to have a knife and firearm now?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:41 pm to FalseProphet
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Do you believe that a "motorcycle club" who readily had knives and shotguns at their disposal isn't a gang?
I never leave home without at least my pocket knife and pistol on my person. Guess that makes my MC a "gang" in your eyes, right?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:43 pm to FalseProphet
Plenty of Americans have weapons at their disposal at any given time. CC license? Pocket knives? Again I'll say none of us know anything about the case or the individuals involved outside of what is presented in the article. Therefore, it is your speculation and bias that is causing you to have the viewpoint that you do.
Fact of the matter is that you cannot have that when judging a case. Each situation has its own set of circumstances that you must objectively view on its own. With your viewpoints, thankfully you do not hold a position of political or judicial power. However, this is reality, and the scary part is that some people in power do share your views.
Fact of the matter is that you cannot have that when judging a case. Each situation has its own set of circumstances that you must objectively view on its own. With your viewpoints, thankfully you do not hold a position of political or judicial power. However, this is reality, and the scary part is that some people in power do share your views.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:43 pm to Darth_Vader
So who mud-checked who?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:46 pm to Darth_Vader
The article clearly states that the guy who was stabbed was aquitted, He's not sitting in jail, he's a free man. One of the guys who assisted in the death is the one on trial.
Also, high profile murder cases often take 3-5 years to make it to trial. A year is nothing in our justice system.
Also, high profile murder cases often take 3-5 years to make it to trial. A year is nothing in our justice system.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:47 pm to Rymeaux
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WTF? Was this pulled from some 19th century British detective short story?
I was just about to say that is some amazingly awful writing.Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:50 pm to Darth_Vader
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Unless there's forensics evidence that contradicts their claims, yes. The fact all non-patch holders are asked to leave when there is trouble between patch holders of a club is nothing out of the ordinary. Basically it boils down to clubs do not handle internal conflicts in front of nonmembers.
So the fact that 3 of the 4 made it out alive, and their version is the only one told, must mean it is correct, right?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:50 pm to GeauxOCDP
That's incorrect. According to another article I just read (one from actual newspaper and not a slanted source like the OP), one of the guys who hit the decedent with a shotgun pleaded guilty in October of last year to manslaughter. He is awaiting sentencing.
Stark weather, the purported innocent victim, was initially charged with murder, but the charges were dismissed without prejudice after a key witness (the guy who just pleaded guilty) changed his story too many times. That was three years ago, and a year after the crime.
He was re-arrested for murder last fall after the other guy pleaded guilty and allocuted. So, contrary to the OP's whining, he has spent less than 6 months in jail after being re-arrested for the crime. He was a free man from the last dismissal until last fall.
Stark weather, the purported innocent victim, was initially charged with murder, but the charges were dismissed without prejudice after a key witness (the guy who just pleaded guilty) changed his story too many times. That was three years ago, and a year after the crime.
He was re-arrested for murder last fall after the other guy pleaded guilty and allocuted. So, contrary to the OP's whining, he has spent less than 6 months in jail after being re-arrested for the crime. He was a free man from the last dismissal until last fall.
This post was edited on 3/31/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:51 pm to Darth_Vader
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The case was both maudlin and banal but it was a motorcycle club case and motorcycle club cases glow. Homicide is homicide as iron is iron but motorcycle club cases glow as hot iron glows. Biker homicides and hot metal are both special cases and that seems to explain the continuing legal crusade against Starkweather.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:52 pm to GeauxOCDP
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The article clearly states that the guy who was stabbed was aquitted
I think you're confused. Starkweather is the guy who was stabbed. He spent right at a year in jail and has basically been under house arrest for something like the last 3 or so years waiting for his trial. No one has been acquitted of anything because no trial has taken place. This whole thing has been going on for almost on four years now.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:53 pm to Darth_Vader
you can't place someone under house arrest without being charged with a crime. He was a free man until his re-arrest last fall.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:53 pm to Darth_Vader
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:55 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So the fact that 3 of the 4 made it out alive, and their version is the only one told, must mean it is correct
Unless there's evidence they're not telling the truth. Do you know of any such evidence in this case? If there was such evidence don't you think almost four years would be long enough for the DA to be ready to present this evidence to a jury in a criminal trial?
Posted on 3/31/16 at 12:56 pm to Darth_Vader
There are few things more trashy on earth than bikers. Human flith. We all witnessed it in Waco.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:00 pm to FalseProphet
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He was re-arrested for murder last fall after the other guy pleaded guilty and allocuted. So, contrary to the OP's whining, he has spent less than 6 months in jail after being re-arrested for the crime. He was a free man from the last dismissal until last fall
You really need to read the article again. It clearly states he sat in jail for 349 days without bail until a judge ordered him released to confinement to his parent's home.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:01 pm to FalseProphet
Starkweather is the guy who got stabbed, he is NOT the one awaiting trial, his charges were dropped. Barros, who is an accessory, is the one currently awaiting trial. Not sure what I was incorrect about unless pg3 article is an old article and more has happened.
Posted on 3/31/16 at 1:06 pm to Darth_Vader
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You really need to read the article again.
You're right. I was wrong about last fall. It was fall of 2014. I prefer to get my information from actual newspapers, though.
I still haven't found an article which cites the reason for the delay. With not a single article discussing the issue of a speedy trial motion though, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that both sides are heavily involved in the delay.
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