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re: The Last Time is Now: John Cena's last match is tonight

Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by TheePalmetto
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:04 pm to
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I just feel bad for the indies that piggieback off of Mania weekend and these independent performers that get their trips comped and see their biggest paydays of their years missing out on that in 2027.


You mean the ones that Tony Khan took talent from and does nothing with or the ones that he sends Sasha Banks to to get paid $25k to take their title and never acknowledge them again?
Posted by TheePalmetto
Member since Aug 2025
1773 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:14 pm to
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NXT was horrible when they started 2.0


Are you fricking stupid? 2.0 is what turned NXT around. Vince had to tell Triple H and HBK to stop fricking around with their AARP Indy darlings and get back to the purpose of the whole thing: Find young athletes and cultivate them to be the next generation of performer. Bron Breakker, Oba Femi, Sol Ruca, Tiffany Stratton, Roxanne Perez, Grayson Waller, Carmelo Hayes, Trick Williams, The Creed Brothers, Pretty Deadly, Ivy Nile, and Fallon Henley all came up through that era. The next batch will be coming up over the next 2-3 years as well.

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Don't forget that TKO trashed house shows


Because they don’t need them and the performers don’t care for them.

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priced families out of events


And yet the shows are consistently sold out. They put more asses in seats during random Raw and Smackdowns than the number 3 company (AEW) can for their biggest events and that’s with AEW having $10 tickets and 2 for one specials.

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They're stuck with Netflix RAW having to be the "A" show, SD back to cable, and NXT as the only program on network TV.


“Stuck” with the company have more financial and mainstream success than it has ever had. Sounds terrible!
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:25 pm to
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Because they don’t need them and the performers don’t care for them.


This is the only part I disagree with you. CM Punk, Bayley, and many others have been vocal in interviews about not having house shows leading to sloppy timing, and CM Punk said those house shows are needed for non main eventers to sell their Merch. Said that's the chance for kids and families to see (he named a few) walk behind a table after wrestling and sign some stuff or talk to fans. People like Otis and Akira would come out and greet kids and fans, as well as others who might not be getting the TV time.

Bayley talked about the house shows are a chance for some of the newer talent to pair with some of the Vets to work on timing of matches and even get on a mic to a live crowd without a set storyline or cameras in your face.


Edit: but I think it was understood that it didn't need to be 350 days on the road like before. A Thursday night or Saturday night house show isn't killing the performers
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
38331 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:43 pm to
Yea there’s a happy medium. They didn’t need to nuke all of it.
Posted by LasVegasTiger
Idaho
Member since Apr 2008
8541 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:44 pm to
The house shows in BR at the Centroplex in the late 90s and early 2000s were always a blast. Think they would always do a Saturday or Sunday show before going to Cajun Dome for Raw.

Good times.
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
6437 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 1:51 pm to
I took my son to Baton Rouge River center right after Nakamura got called up to the main roster. We got a signed poster from him and while he didn't stay long, he walked behind the main merch table held up one of his shirts, did the "come on" thing to get the crowd fired up and threw it in the crowd standing there. Shook some hands and left. When the Usos were driving out of the parking lot, they slowed down and gave their shirts to kids standing by where we we watching them all leave from.

These are the memories that kids take with them to becoming fans. Yes, Mania is the Superbowl for WWE and will be priced as one... But paying $20 a kid to watch a Saturday event to see the 3 biggest faces all hit the biggest heels with their finishers at once and tell everyone thank you for coming is something those kids never forget.
Posted by David Ricky
Hailing From Parts Unknown
Member since Sep 2015
25886 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 2:36 pm to
Gunther leaving the arena last night with a security escort while getting swarmed by a bunch of seething adult dorks

This is some old school real heat, not the wink at the camera smark heel bullshite

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Posted by TheePalmetto
Member since Aug 2025
1773 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 3:31 pm to
But Triple Hitler can’t book lol
Posted by Translator
Member since May 2025
456 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:52 pm to
Seeing that has changed my mind about the outcome from Saturday. This is 1980s level hate that needs to be capitalized on. I'm sold on Gunther retiring a bunch of fan favorites next year.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:55 pm to
Why did they change Gunthers intro music?

I preferred the Nazi chant sounding intro, great heel intro
This post was edited on 12/14/25 at 6:56 pm
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
6437 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 6:58 pm to
I think Jericho returns for a final run and Hall of Fame announcement. Have Gunther come and challenge him and Jericho basically tell him that John Cena is an honest man and will not wrestle again... But if you make me tap out, I'll go to some random arse promotion and wrestle again just to piss your stupid arse off. Lol
Posted by TheePalmetto
Member since Aug 2025
1773 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 7:48 pm to
They gave him his intro music back. That was his original theme.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
38331 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 7:49 pm to
It’s his original theme and I imagine it’s what he wants. I agree the other is better for his current persona though
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
129367 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 8:52 pm to
Ah
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
68586 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 9:44 pm to
Wrestling is pretty lame now but on Jericho …

His first JERICHO entrance in the WWE was the loudest pop of all time.
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
6437 posts
Posted on 12/14/25 at 10:37 pm to
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His first JERICHO entrance in the WWE was the loudest pop of all time.


I absolutely loved Jericho. His insults, his whining about things, Raw really was Jericho and I loved it.


George, when you joined in 08, did you tell everyone that TD will never... Ev.. ev... Ev....evvveeerr! Be the same A Gain!
Posted by Horsemeat
Truckin' somewhere in the US
Member since Dec 2014
15196 posts
Posted on 12/15/25 at 10:53 am to
So what was the point of Brock attacking Cena at SSlam?
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
6437 posts
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:25 pm to
Brock fought Cena at one of the PLEs afterwards... The wrestlepalooza shite they had as ESPN's first exclusive PLE. Brock squashed him.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
10013 posts
Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:11 pm to
Wow. Surprised at what I'm reading in this thread. Couldn't watch in Saturday so had to catch up later. Already knew the outcome as spoilers had leaked, then again, I knew a week ago this is how it would end. How did you all NOT see this ending coming?

You had to know Gunther was going to make Cena quit. That's kind of the entire point in telling a story and finishing an arc, that the guy who will never quit is made to quit in his final match ever.

The heat on Gunther is hotter than the surface of the sun. Perfect guy for it. He's the opposite of Cena, he'll never be a face, ever.

Gunther is going to retire a few more guys in the coming years. Just watch. It will be his "thing".
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
6437 posts
Posted on 12/15/25 at 4:18 pm to
My main complaint was the smirk on the face when tapping.
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