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re: The internet is fricked

Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:08 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:08 pm to
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The flip side is that bandwidth these days is almost unlimited.


For now.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:09 pm to
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i support this rate!


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What happens in countries where there’s real competition? In the UK, where incumbent provider BT is required to allow competitors to use its wired broadband network, home internet service prices are as low as £2.50 a month, or just over $4.


This is what I used as my basis for that.

$0.02/GB*250 GB = $5.00
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
30979 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:14 pm to
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For now.


It should scale pretty easily as long as a proactive approach to laying fiber optic cable is utilized. Oh what's that? Telecoms and cable companies have been promising fiber to every home in lieu of tax breaks for 2 decades but have completely failed to deliver?

Decades Of Failed Promises From Verizon: It Promises Fiber To Get Tax Breaks... Then Never Delivers

You've Already Paid $2,000 For A Fiber Connection You'll Never Get

Verizon's decision to stop expanding FiOS, in favor of wireless, shafts millions of customers who paid billions for a network upgrade and didn't get it.

The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our broadband future was stolen.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 4:15 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:17 pm to
surprised more people aren't pissed about this, color.

this graphic is absolutely spot on.



in the absence of competition, nothing has changed in roughly 20 years.

oh, you added some software DVR capabiilities and expanded your 'on demand' lineup.

wow, and the cost of cable has gone up about 300% for that..not to mention $7 on demand movies.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 4:18 pm
Posted by ocelot4ark
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2009
12536 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:19 pm to
My biggest issue isn't how we treat the companies, but just keeping pace with the rest of the world.

Well maybe we pay a lot less than the rest of the world and that's why ours isn't as fast? Yeahhhh, nope.



We are getting bitch-slapped.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 4:21 pm
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23705 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:23 pm to
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We are getting bitch-slapped.


Yes - and the incumbent providers will do anything and everything possible to keep their stranglehold on their easy money. I lived in Lafayette during the fiber fight. The incumbents used every dirty trick in the book and threw up every possible roadblock to try to block their fiber network.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:26 pm to
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threw up every possible roadblock to try to block their fiber network.


yep. look what chattanooga did.

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the effort to bring cheap broadband to the masses began as a simple engineering problem: The city's electric company, EPB, needed a way for its systems to monitor and communicate with new digital equipment being installed on the grid. Meanwhile, city hall was learning that the country's biggest phone and cable companies wouldn't be starting service there for a decade or more.

So EPB became an ISP. Now it operates some 8,000 miles of fiber for 56,000 commercial and residential Internet customers. With today's rollout, gigabit service will cost $70 a month, down from $300 a month just last year. The system has gotten consistently strong ratings on DSLReports, the Internet's venerable hub for comparing broadband services.


emphasis in bold.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:29 pm to
I just got rid of dial-up and had u-verse max installed today, I am very happy.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
93153 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 4:34 pm to
sorry, forgot to link article

Wash Post - How Chattanooga beat google fiber

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Cities have to go to enormous lengths to execute the fiber build-out. Chattanooga spent $330 million on its new network, raising $220 million in bond money and winning $111.5 million in federal stimulus dollars. (The money from Washington was like icing on the cake; by the time EPB applied, it had already reached its initial targets and with the additional funds cut a 10-year construction plan down to three years.) Along the way, EPB fought several court battles with Comcast and the state cable association. Even before all this, Chattanooga had to lobby the state government for permission to let EPB participate in the telecom market.

"There's 19 states that make it harder for local governments to do this," says Mitchell. "There are hurdles to doing this that make it either very difficult or impossible to build these local networks."

In other regions such as Longmont, Colo., incumbent cable companies view muni-fiber as a threat and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars contesting the service on city ballot measures.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
6342 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 5:27 pm to
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We are getting bitch-slapped.


My available bandwidth doesn't even register as a blip on that chart.
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
1757 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:28 pm to
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Google says they don't need any added financial incentive from the Metro government to come to Nashville.

Can you believe it?

"To be clear, Google Fiber is seeking no incentives or financial commitments from the Metro Government of Nashville and Davidson County," writes Matt Dunne, Google's Head of Community Affairs, in the letter obtained by Pith. "Nor will Metro own or operate any part of the network. The checklist they complete is based on national best practices developed to help make a community "fiber ready" for advanced networks offered by any provider and none of the components will be exclusive to Google."


LINK ]Google Fiber Isn't Asking for Incentives
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
23705 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 6:40 pm to
LUS fiber offers a full symmetrical gigabit fiber circuit for $1000 a month, which might be considered high compared to some of the prices we're beginning to see now. But price out that exact same circuit here in Baton Rouge with Cox, and you're adding probably at minimum an extra 0 to the end of Lafayette's price.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 6:41 pm
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
1757 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:15 pm to
LINK ]WSJ: Why Super-Fast Internet Is Coming Super Slowly

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In 1982, rock star Pete Townsend asked Americans to call their cable operators and, "Demand your MTV. I want my MTV!" It's 2014, and two-minute music videos on a cable channel have given way to high-definition movies, concerts and sports streamed live to your TV, computer and phone. So where the heck is my superfast gigabit Internet access? Who do I even call?

We know it's technically feasible. Google GOOG +0.62% Fiber, with speeds up to 100 times faster than the basic broadband provided by your cable or phone company, is already up and running in Kansas City, Mo.; Austin, Texas; and Provo, Utah. And last week, Google announced it's in talks with 34 more cities. Even Chattanooga has gigabit broadband in 56,000 homes and businesses provided by the city-owned electric company, of all things.

Users everywhere rave about gigabit service—Web pages pop onto your screen, videos stream all over the house, maps jump as you move—and this is before any Web company has implemented a specific service that takes advantage of gigabit speeds.

It's economically feasible too. The average access speed in the U.S. is now under 10 megabits per second and costs around $40-$60. Verizon FiOS charges $300 a month for 500 megabit service. Yet Google and others charge just $70 a month for a full gigabit connection, download and upload. VTel in Springfield, Vt., charges $35. Gigabit in Hong Kong was $26 way back in 2011.

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So how does Google dig up streets and climb poles and run fiber directly to homes? Simple, they ask for and get concessions from cities—the most important being right-of-way easements and expedited permits and inspections. Kansas City was more than happy to oblige. In September 2012, Federal Communications Commissioner Ajit Pai said, "it is critically important that states and local communities adopt broadband-friendly policies when it comes to rights-of-way management."

Well, not so fast. Last month a bill was introduced in the Kansas legislature, pushed by the Kansas Cable Telecommunications Association and presumably Time Warner Cable, to outlaw cities from selling cable and Internet services or even partnering with private service providers. Meanwhile, AT&T is slowing Google Fiber deployment in Austin by denying access to its utility poles. The incumbents' strategy seems to be kill the demon seed in its crib.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:28 pm to
as soon as the cable cabal is broken, they are going to fricking get raped
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77181 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:32 pm to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro as soon as the cable cabal is broken, they are going to fricking get raped
Yea, and it can't happen fast enough. These monopolies are fricking annoying. Scruffy has to choose between Comcast and...oh wait, there isn't anyone else.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476002 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:38 pm to
they're like the music industry on steroids
Posted by xXLSUXx
New Orleans, LA
Member since Oct 2010
10613 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:42 pm to
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Last month a bill was introduced in the Kansas legislature, pushed by the Kansas Cable Telecommunications Association and presumably Time Warner Cable, to outlaw cities from selling cable and Internet services or even partnering with private service providers. Meanwhile, AT&T is slowing Google Fiber deployment in Austin by denying access to its utility poles.


Heard about that. The cable companies are fighting a losing battle. Sure they can try and roadblock Google here and there. But eventually the market wins out. People will get fed up with the current system. And it can't happen soon enough.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143702 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:43 pm to
Chattanooga's ISP service is legit.

Wifi hot spots are everywhere for users too while on mobile too.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:45 pm to
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You are getting raped by internet duopolies.


You haven't seen anything yet.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143702 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 7:49 pm to
It's a embarrassment that Latvia and Estonia has so much better internet speeds than we do.

Italy is about the only European country lagging behind us.

The Greeks too. But they're always behind the Italians.
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