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re: The Growing Movement to release the Parricidal Menendez Brothers…
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:00 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:00 pm to Dire Wolf
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Dire Wolf
No offense, but maybe you should educate yourself on how abused women get reprogrammed by the abuser. There's still some accountability but their brains are reprogrammed and she's pretty much not a normal, rational thinking human at that point. She's just as much as victim as them, if the new stories are true.
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:00 pm to Epic Cajun
It’s hard to say that if a mother tolerates her children being raped by her husband that she’s anything other than a moral abomination, a monster, morally complicit.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:01 pm to Oates Mustache
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No offense, but maybe you should educate yourself on how abused women get reprogrammed by the abuser. There's still some accountability but their brains are reprogrammed and she's pretty much not a normal, rational thinking human at that point. She's just as much as victim as them, if the new stories are true.
so that same logic doesn't apply to kids who raped?
people are calling them adults while their mother an actual adult doesn't have the stones to protect them
edit: you are right she potentially was a victim but if people are going to say they did it for the money then the same applies to her
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:04 pm to Dire Wolf
Right, that's exactly the point. So by that logic, they get excused for ending the life of their father, but they're still on the hook for her murder.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:05 pm to Lsupimp
If you believe their story she allowed the cause to continue for years, if that account is true she is not really any better than the dad
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:09 pm to Oates Mustache
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Right, that's exactly the point. So by that logic, they get excused for ending the life of their father, but they're still on the hook for her murder.
Even if she was abused as well, if she knew about her kids being abused and didn't protect them, she deserved what she got.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:12 pm to Epic Cajun
Nope. Educate yourself on what years of abuse does to someone's brain, and the changes it creates. If you excuse them because abuse caused them to murder people, she also gets excused for the very same reason. Your own logic beats you every time.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:16 pm to Oates Mustache
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Nope. Educate yourself on what years of abuse does to someone's brain, and the changes it creates. If you excuse them because abuse caused them to murder people, she also gets excused for the very same reason. Your own logic beats you every time.
I don't excuse them because abuse caused them to murder people. I excuse them because if their parents abused them, they deserved to die.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:17 pm to Epic Cajun
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parents abused them
You're making stuff up. There's zero evidence she abused them. I can do this all day.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:26 pm to Oates Mustache
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You're making stuff up. There's zero evidence she abused them.
Knowing of abuse is being complicit in the abuse, I'm discussing the hypothetical that it did indeed happen. If they weren't abused, or she wasn't complicit in it, then obviously she didn't deserve to die.
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I can do this all day
What? Act autistic?
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:29 pm to Epic Cajun
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Knowing of abuse is being complicit in the abuse, I'm discussing the hypothetical that it did indeed happen. If they weren't abused, or she wasn't complicit in it, then obviously she didn't deserve to die.
Again, let's start from the beginning. They were abused by their father. Their mother was also a victim of his abuse. They are all three victims of the same person.
Two of them committed murder to end the abuse, one crawled into a deep psychological shell to protect herself.
You think they're ok for killing him, but the third victim deserved to die as well.
Your logic is shite.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:33 pm to Oates Mustache
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Again, let's start from the beginning. They were abused by their father. Their mother was also a victim of his abuse. They are all three victims of the same person.
Two of them committed murder to end the abuse, one crawled into a deep psychological shell to protect herself.
You think they're ok for killing him, but the third victim deserved to die as well.
Your logic is shite.
Her being a victim as well doesn't preclude her from being their mother and protecting her children. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:38 pm to Epic Cajun
Also, you certainly can't expect two kids to be able to process that. All they know (according to that side of the story) is their mother knowingly allowed significant abuse to happen to them for years and years going against all natural motherly instincts.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:41 pm to RandySavage
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two kids
they were 21 and 18 when they committed cold blooded, pre-meditated murder
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:43 pm to Oates Mustache
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Their mother was also a victim of his abuse. They are all three victims of the same person.
at best, she is a tragic figure who was blinded by abuse and failed to do her one job as a mother
at worst, she ignored the abuse to keep her lifestyle which makes her slightly less of a monster than her husband
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:49 pm to Epic Cajun
Again, for the third time, if you're going to comment in a thread like this, you should try and educate yourself on the effects of abuse. There's some serious ignorance in this thread about it. Especially abused spouses.
This thread reads like you watched the Netflix series and believe how they portray her.
This thread reads like you watched the Netflix series and believe how they portray her.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:53 pm to Oates Mustache
You think that I'm hypothetically justifying their actions because of the mental state that their abuse caused them, but I'm actually justifying their actions because if they were abused, their abusers deserved to die.
And no, I'm not going to justify a parent shirking their duties as a parent just because they may also be a victim of abuse.
ETA: I have not watched a second of the Netflix series.
And no, I'm not going to justify a parent shirking their duties as a parent just because they may also be a victim of abuse.
ETA: I have not watched a second of the Netflix series.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:55 pm to Epic Cajun
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no, I'm not going to justify a parent shirking their duties as a parent just because they may also be a victim of abuse.
So we'll just end the discussion here. Your ignorance of abuse victims is noted.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 2:59 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 10/11/24 at 3:05 pm to Oates Mustache
quote:
Again, let's start from the beginning. They were abused by their father. Their mother was also a victim of his abuse. They are all three victims of the same person.
Two of them committed murder to end the abuse, one crawled into a deep psychological shell to protect herself.
You think they're ok for killing him, but the third victim deserved to die as well.
Your logic is shite.
I haven't seen the new show and it's been years since I've seen details of the case. But I know at one point at least one of the brothers accused the Mom of also engaging in abuse. Did that get thrown out or was unconfirmed?
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