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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: Today

Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:44 pm to
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:44 pm to
you're assuming these ISPs are going to reinvest in their product. These monopolies already exist. If you can effectively control the competition, which they $till will be able to, then there is no guarantee they are going to be forced into innovating.

Deregulation has not always lead to more competition. It is not black and white.

Hell, I'd argue removing net neutrality would lessen innovation in some areas. For example, if AT&T cut a deal with Hulu, AT&T users would be forced to use Hulu over Netflix.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

you're assuming these ISPs are going to reinvest in their product. These monopolies already exist. If you can effectively control the competition, which they still will be able to, then there is no guarantee they are going to be forced into innovating.

Deregulation has not always lead to more competition. It is not black and white.
This post was edited on 7/12 at 2:45 pm


No, I'm assuming if people are willing to pay for alternatives, competition will increase. It's the very basis of economics.,

Posted by reggieray420
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:47 pm to
They're retards, and other baby boomers get especially butthurt over it
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:48 pm to
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RogerTheShrubber


Your age is showing in this thread
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:49 pm to
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Your age is showing in this thread


You kids don't take Econ anymore? Explains a lot
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:49 pm to
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No, I'm assuming if people are willing to pay for alternatives


which they have, in other arenas, while net neutrality has been in place.

what do you think a Comcast is going to do as soon as this goes into effect? Begin striking deals. If they have a deal with one of these streaming providers, who is going to buy an alternative? People love their fricking House of Cards.

not to mention if the alternative is twice the cost, no one is going to buy it. I just don't see how in this particular example you can prove there A) will be alternatives and B)they will be feasible to the average consumer for a number of reasons
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:52 pm
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:50 pm to
what year did you take econ?
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4937 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:50 pm to
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If they allow ISPs to dictate traffic based on their own hidden agendas we should March to the FCC and burn those mother frickers to the ground.


It's infuriating that an unelected "official" has the gall to be so condescending when intentionally ignoring the will of the people. Pai seems like a real scumbag
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:51 pm to
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what do you think a Comcast is going to do as soon as this goes into effect? Begin striking deals. If they have a deal with one of these streaming providers, who is going to buy an alternative? People love their fricking House of Cards.


What makes you think comcast would be a major player in 10 years if they don't meet market demands?
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4937 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:52 pm to
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You kids don't take Econ anymore? Explains a lot


Humorous considering the complete ignorance you've displayed in here. Usually a decent, though overrated, poster but you're clearly out of your element on this topic.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40291 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:52 pm to
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No, I'm assuming if people are willing to pay for alternatives, competition will increase. It's the very basis of economics.,


How do these alternatives come about if your local government won't allow any new lines being laid down and the established player wont allow competition to use their lines?

Net neutrality has nothing to do with the unbelievable start up costs associated with providing this service.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:54 pm to
I'm sure Roger still pays for his daily newspaper subscription guys.

Take it easy.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:55 pm to
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What makes you think comcast would be a major player in 10 years if they don't meet market demands?



what demands exactly?

if I enjoy a certain service, I'm going to pay for it. Many will continue to pay for their comcast service if it means they have access to other services tied to comcast. They'll just pay more.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:55 pm to
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It's infuriating that an unelected "official" has the gall to be so condescending when intentionally ignoring the will of the people. Pai seems like a real scumbag


You talking about the guy with the hilariously oversized mug? He seems alright.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 2:57 pm to
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Net neutrality has nothing to do with the unbelievable start up costs associated with providing this service.



exactly

which is why the already established ISPs, who are still in the midst of mergers despite all of this, aren't going anywhere.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296792 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:01 pm to
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what demands exactly?


Consumer demands. Its the old dollar vote principle

What makes you think regulating the internet as a utility will bring innovation?

The wave of the future is wireless. Tv, internet, communications. We will get there with market forces long before central planning and protecting the biggest of the big.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:02 pm to
Follow-up, prepare to cringe at the hilarious FCC chairman. He's hilarious!!!!

so funny!!!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296792 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:05 pm to
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Net neutrality has nothing to do with the unbelievable start up costs associated with providing this service.


The near future, startup costs will be faaar less with little necessary infrastructure. Net neutrality as it's written protects the biggest of the big.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:07 pm to
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What makes you think regulating the internet as a utility will bring innovation?



because it has already. The free flow of information has lead to innovation. It hasn't directly caused innovation, but it hasn't hindered it. Your definition of innovation seems to be limited to cheaper and faster internet.
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protecting the biggest of the big.


allowing these ISPs to control your internet speed at certain websites, and charging for individual services- you don't view this as protecting them? Allowing a giant ISP to do whatever the frick they want is it's own form of protection.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:08 pm to
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The wave of the future is wireless


we are already going wireless
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