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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: Today
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:25 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:25 pm to fightin tigers
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Are you really this shortsighted on the future of technology?
I'm not trying to be insulting with that statement, I just see the major ISPs business model going the way of newspapers.
Bro, do you REALLY think ISPs would allow competition to enter the market?
Look at the cell phone revolution as an example. Once a startup cellular company got "big enough" they were gobbled up by the major players which has lead to the cellular network evolving into a modern day duopoly
Verizon and ATT control almost 90% of the market share (when you add in ATT owned, T-Mobile's market share)
Cellular Market share through the years
Startups will never be able to provide equivalent ISP services at lower prices because economies of scale will never allow for it.
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Look at what Netflix is doing to indie producers. What webcast has done to traditional news or radio. What Tesla has done to the big 8. YouTube to major music. Uber to Taxis. AirBnB to traditional hotels.
If these things are already happening then why do we need rewrite the policies in the ISP's favor today?
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:36 pm
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
what type of competition and why do we currently need it? At the moment, and individual pays a flat rate for internet access. What about that needs changing, and why?
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why are big telecoms supporting net neutrality?
also, you do realize small telecomm also supports net neutrality?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:29 pm to cas4t
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Not to be a dick, but just go read into this a bit and come back.
Not to be a dick, but this isn't the case.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:30 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Why are big telecoms supporting net neutrality
They aren't
Google, Comcast and Verizon all support the rules against throttling. Like most legislation, it's the other various regulations contained within some don't support.
The regulatory structure of the 2015 legislation is more of the issue
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:33 pm to TennesseeFan25
Happy birthday
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:33 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:35 pm to fightin tigers
Your argument, at least a page or so back, is pure conjecture. This innovation you speak of is non-existent & unneeded. The internet works perfectly fine as is.
Remove your hypothetical innovation and explain to me how you believe removing net neutrality is going to positively affect me as an individual in the short term.
Remove your hypothetical innovation and explain to me how you believe removing net neutrality is going to positively affect me as an individual in the short term.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:37 pm to Walt OReilly
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Happy birthday
Hey! Thanks!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:39 pm to cas4t
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what type of competition and why do we currently need it? At the moment, and individual pays a flat rate for internet access. What about that needs changing, and why?
How did you survive before it? What happened when the internet was classified as an information service?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:42 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Bro, do you REALLY think ISPs would allow competition to enter the market?
This is the statement made by every single example I gave.
They will fight it with everything they have. But, when popular opinion wants something they will find a way.
Bro, do you really think cabs will allow uber in NOLA?
Bro, do you really think big oil will allow an electric car to be built?
Bro, do you think the music industry will allow you to make and sell your own album?
Bro, do you think you can just watch movies the same day they were released in the theater?
Bro, do you think Dan Patrick will have the career since he left ESPN and is broadcasting out of his attic?
Your cellphone analogy is perfect. When I was in the industry in 2001 or so everyone just KNEW Sprint was going to buy everyone. Text messages were around 25 cents a piece and WTF was this 3g I was installing really going to mean to internet access at that price.
Then Cingular bought ATT Wireless, ATT bought Cingular. T-Mobile was laughed at. Verizon Wireless didn't exist (at least at no real extent).
Were these industries gobbled up, yep. The industry was better for it.
Will it be the same for net neutrality, who knows. Are there concerns, almost certainly.
If the people being trusted with the stewardship are seen to be bias then something like Fox News will pop up to counter offer.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:43 pm to cas4t
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Remove your hypothetical innovation and explain to me how you believe removing net neutrality is going to positively affect me as an individual in the short term.
It probably won't. It will probably hurt you short term.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:43 pm to JohnnyKilroy
From your link
Telecoms aren't necessarily fighting throttling restrictions, they dislike the reclassification and regulations imposed under a bill passed in the 30s
Like all legislation, there's faaaaar more than some stand alone issue.
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You can have strong and enforceable Open Internet protections without relying on rigid, innovation-killing utility regulation that was developed in the 1930s (Title II).
Telecoms aren't necessarily fighting throttling restrictions, they dislike the reclassification and regulations imposed under a bill passed in the 30s
Like all legislation, there's faaaaar more than some stand alone issue.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
you're being intentionally vague. All I can gather is that you'd prefer the internet not be regulated, but my question to you was why?
The only thing I can gather from this is that you prefer Comcast be able to slow your internet down, thus creating hypothetical competition which will also be blocked by the Comcasts of the world.
Just be straight with me. What exactly do you see as the benefit?
The only thing I can gather from this is that you prefer Comcast be able to slow your internet down, thus creating hypothetical competition which will also be blocked by the Comcasts of the world.
Just be straight with me. What exactly do you see as the benefit?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:49 pm to cas4t
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you're being intentionally vague. All I can gather is that you'd prefer the internet not be regulated, but my question to you was why?
I've posted links, with words, in english.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:50 pm to fightin tigers
And long term, you believe there will be some sort of innovation that will make things all better.
I'm just not buying it.
I'm just not buying it.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:52 pm to cas4t
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And long term, you believe there will be some sort of innovation that will make things all better.
Yes. Regulation increases barrier to entry and stifles not only competition but innovation
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
you'll have to forgive me. Wired.com re-routes me each time I try to read the article to sign up for their email list.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:56 pm to cas4t
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you'll have to forgive me. Wired.com re-routes me each time I try to read the article to sign up for their email list.
Didn't happen to me
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Yes. Regulation increases barrier to entry and stifles not only competition but innovation
I've asked a few times now, what sort of innovation?
I firmly believe the currently existing giant ISPs will still have full control, for a number of reasons that have been posted in this thread already.
Just stating that this would create more ISP options is completely ignoring the scale of influence large ISPs have.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 2:02 pm
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