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The Battle of Chancellorsville, Day 1 - May 1, 1863 - 157 years ago today....

Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:16 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:16 am
With the bulk of his army now across the Rapidan and on the Confederate side of the Rappahannock River, Major General Joseph Hooker was now ready to lead his army out of the Wilderness and into the open country beyond. The last three days had seen the Army of the Potomac stealing a march on Robert E. Lee and the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia, culminating with the Union force successfully getting astride Lee's left flank.

But Robert E. Lee was undaunted. Instead of pulling back his army to safety as Hooker supposed he would, Lee left a small force to defend Fredericksburg while moving roughly 50,000 men with all speed to confront Hooker around Chancellorsville. The two armies collided on May 1.

Hooker had begun moving his army out of the forested region of the Wilderness and into the open country when he was surprised to confront a sizable force of Confederate infantry on the road to Fredericksburg just after 11:00 AM. The first shots of the battle were fired at 11:20 as the Confederate division of Major General Lafayette McLaws slammed into the Union division of George Sykes. The Union soldiers fell back in an orderly fashion, obviously surprised to have encountered such a large body of Confederates so far away from Fredericksburg. Shaken but not beaten, Sykes organized a counterattack and re-took the ground his division had given up to McLaws.

The division of Major General Richard Anderson attempted to turn the right flank of Sykes' division but his attack was stymied by the Union XII Corps that was just then moving into position on the Plank Road to support Sykes. Anderson then sent a brigade under Ambrose Wright to sneak around the right of XII Corps utilizing an unfinished railroad head. Once again, however, reinforcements (this time the XI Corps) were able to keep the Union position from being turned.

By this time, the Union position just outside the Wilderness was turning into a formidable one. The Union line, anchored by Sykes' division at Zoan Church, occupied elevated ground with good fields of fire for artillery. The XII Corps had arrived in force and the II and XI Corps were not far behind. The V Corps was advancing handsomely along the River Road and was in a position to anchor the left flank of the Army of the Potomac along the river to complete the defensive line.

For the first time in the war against Robert E. Lee, it looked as if the Union army would occupy the favorable ground for once. This was a dream scenario for Hooker who, while offensive-minded, wanted to fight a defensive battle against Lee. If that was his objective, this was the ground to do it on.

The Battle of Chancellorsville - Day One (May 1, 1863)


Historians continue to argue about what happened next. For whatever reason, Hooker decided to call a halt to the developing battle around Zoan Church and issued orders for his army to fall back into the Wilderness and take up defensive positions around Chancellorsville. Hooker's subordinates were stunned, but none were as angry as George Meade, the Union V Corps Commander: "My God," Meade was said to have remarked, "if we can't hold the top of the hill, we certainly can't hold the bottom of it!"

Many historians feel that it is here that Hooker began to realize the stresses of commanding an entire army as opposed to a division or a corps, and thus effectively lost his nerve. By surrendering the ground around Zoan Church and falling back on Chancellorsville, they argue, Hooker ceded the initiative to Lee and effectively lost the battle.

More modern scholarship, however, has observed that the logistics facing Hooker in the short term were stacked against him. The ground his commanders wanted to defend was little more than a clearing, with few roads providing access to the area. Also...the odds were stacked against the Union army on May 1. Hooker could bring little more than 30,000 men to the fight while the ever-aggressive Stonewall Jackson had something close to 48,000 in the vicinity of Zoan Church and support for Sykes and Slocum would be slow in arriving.

So the Union army fell back into the Wilderness and began digging entrenchments around the Chancellor mansion. Despite the well-reasoned withdrawal, the Union high command had begun losing confidence in their new commanding officer.

On the Confederate side, Jackson was surprised at Hooker's sudden withdrawal and believed this signaled a general retreat back across the river. Lee, however, disagreed and argued that Hooker had invested too much in the campaign to just cut and run before a major battle could be fought. He believed that Hooker would remain on their side of the river and, if that proved to be true, he would attack him come the morning of May 2.

Jeb Stuart, Lee's trusted cavalry chief, reported that evening with news on the Yankee position. Meade and the Union V Corps anchored the Union left flank on the Rappahannock River, the Union center was heavily fortified, but the Union right flank was "in the air" and thus vulnerable to attack. That area was held by Oliver Howard and the XI Corps. Lee wondered aloud if it were possible to get around the Union right without being detected. After more investigation it was proven to be possible to do just that.

It was decided that Stonewall Jackson would take a force of some considerable size on a march around the Union right and strike the XI Corps from the flank and rear. When Lee asked with what force he would use to achieve this, Jackson responded: "My whole command." This was a gamble for it would leave Lee with less than 20,000 men to contend with the rest of Hooker's army. But it was a gamble that both Lee and Jackson were willing to take. The old man gave his ascent and commanded the following: "Take your entire corps, General Jackson, and destroy the enemy."

The march would begin the next morning, May 2.

The situation on the evening of May 1


Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:20 am to
Is that the battle Stonewall was shot in?
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Is that the battle Stonewall was shot in?


This is correct.
Posted by jgoodw318
Bossier City
Member since Sep 2013
1102 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 8:47 am to
I have really enjoyed your write ups. Very insightful and well worded. I was wondering if you were a history professor, or something of the like, or if the topic is just one of great interest and study to you? Either way keep em coming!
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36031 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:09 am to
So Hooker stole a march on Lee, but even with that Lee was able to outnumber Hooker when the two armies collided on day one? I didn’t know that. I had always thought Hooked crossed the rivers, set up camp and Lee via Jackson arrived late to flank Hooker’s exposed right flank. Jackson and his Corp were really something.
Posted by MISSOURI WALTZ
Wolf Island, MO
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 5/1/20 at 9:38 am to
The Virginia Military Institute will be heard from today.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:07 am to
quote:

I was wondering if you were a history professor, or something of the like, or if the topic is just one of great interest and study to you?


Thank you for the kind words. I'm afraid I'm just a hobbyist but would really love to teach this stuff in a college classroom one day. I have a bachelor's in history and would really love to get my master's in the subject.
Posted by jgoodw318
Bossier City
Member since Sep 2013
1102 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:23 am to
Go for it dude! You obviously have a passion for the subject so I think you would be a great teacher and I would enjoy your lectures. However, you would probably run into a problem with having to teach other aspects of that time in history so you probably wouldn’t be able to just key in on that subject.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36031 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:34 am to
At LSU T Harry Williams could teach to this level. He was a real treasure.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64559 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:44 am to
Chancellorsville was perhaps the best example of Lee’s military genius. In the face of of an enemy force more than twice the size of the Army of Northern Virginia, he divided his army (which most generals would consider insane) and won one of the most stunning victories in American history.

Sadly though this victory cost Lee is best commander, Stonewall Jackson. One can only guess how his absence in the upcoming Gettysburg Campaign contributed to that Confederate defeat.
This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 10:46 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36031 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 10:57 am to
quote:


Sadly though this victory cost Lee is best commander, Stonewall Jackson. One can only guess how his absence in the upcoming Gettysburg Campaign contributed to that Confederate defeat.



Day one, Jackson there; who knows who gets control of the high ground. My bet would be on Jackson’s boys.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:02 am to
quote:

Day one, Jackson there; who knows who gets control of the high ground. My bet would be on Jackson’s boys.


If the Confederate army gets control of the high ground at Gettysburg, Meade would have just ordered the army to fall back on the line he truly wanted to defend - Pipe Creek, just outside of Union Mills, Maryland.

The only reason the Battle of Gettysburg proceeded as it did is because the Union army held onto the high ground south of town. Meade wouldn't have been dumb enough to concentrate his army at Gettysburg if Cemetery Hill or Culp's Hill had been successfully occupied by Lee's forces.

This post was edited on 5/1/20 at 11:04 am
Posted by LB84
Member since May 2016
3348 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Sadly though this victory cost Lee is best commander, Stonewall Jackson. One can only guess how his absence in the upcoming Gettysburg Campaign contributed to that Confederate defeat.


Jackson was one of the best offensive minded generals Lee had. With the loss of Jackson Lee felt he needed make up for Jackson's absence.

I had a professor say the loss of Jackson put the thought of Pickett's charge in Lee's head. Jackson probably would have advised hitting the area of little round top again which would have most likely routed the Union forces at Gettysburg.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65086 posts
Posted on 5/1/20 at 11:13 am to
quote:

Jackson probably would have advised hitting the area of little round top again which would have most likely routed the Union forces at Gettysburg.


With what forces?

Hood and McLaws were both badly mauled attacking the area around Little Round Top the day before. Lee was outnumbered, his lines were overextended, and any move the Confederates could make would be seen ahead of time. The Union position was so compact that they could move reinforcements to any threatened sector within minutes.

Any attack the Confederates could make on Little Round Top would have been torn apart on July 3. That's exactly what Lee wanted Longstreet to do, but Longstreet carefully explained to him why such an attack would be idiotic. This is why Lee chose instead to assault the center of the line because he figured it would be where the Union position was weakest. The I Corps had battered itself unsuccessfully against the Union left, and the II Corps had battered itself unsuccessfully against the Union right, so he figured the III Corps, as well as elements of the I Corps, would have more success against the Union center.

He was mistaken. No attack he could have launched at Gettysburg had any chance of success. The battle was decided when the Union army maintained possession of Cemetery Hill and Culp's Hill.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36031 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 2:38 pm to
True, but it’s all different. Lee takes Gettysburg and runs the North off Culps Hill and Cemetery Hill. He gets the momentum. Consolidates his army. Has Jackson ready to keep pushing and ready to take advantage of any Yankee mistake.

As we know, Gettysburg was a Rebel disaster, if Jackson is there and they take the high ground and it’s a do over. Gettysburg let the Yankees have a perfect area to defend. They had superior numbers, short interior lines and every advantage. Pipe Creek couldn’t have been any better.
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 5:53 pm
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19451 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Meade would not have been dumb enough....


Watch the scene from Gettysburg with Buford from the morning the Confederates reached town.

Washington would have been wiring the Army of the Potomac....Attack, attack, attack. And Meade would have done what he was told.

The leadership in DC wouldn’t have wanted Lee one foot closer to the Capitol.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22380 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 3:37 pm to
Kicked that Yankee arse.
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