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re: The Baton Rouge traffic problem exceeds the problem solving skills of our political class

Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:52 am to
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 8:52 am to
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Enjoy compromising on your living arrangements, your career, and your kids' future!
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Korkstand
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Plaquemine
:)
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:05 am to
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The traffic threads today have been entertaining



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LNCHBOX


Because you're stupid.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:07 am to
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The only way to keep Ascension and Livingston commuters off the interstate is to provide a viable option. Nicholson isn't set up for it. Airline was maxed out years ago. Florida I'm guessing isn't worth a damn either.




If Airline and Nicholson were expanded Baton Rouge to Ascension Parish and overpasses built at a few of the of the major intersections and service roads built to redirect/connect the others, it would undeniably help by creating two viable bypasses without fighting a million NIMBYS and costing billions for a new loop.

Do the Same thing with 190(Florida) From the Airline intersection east to Walker.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 9:09 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:08 am to
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Having fun on that bridge?
You should just be thankful that most of us care enough about the state and country to bitch about it and maybe *gasp* do something about it. And by do something I mean something other than bend over backwards to let government frick us.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:08 am to
I drove up for work yesterday morning - left New Orleans (close to Metairie) - a little before 6:45. Took about 2 hours, was at a standstill before Prairieville and got off and worked my way around the highway.

Not sure if that is normal or not but definitely won't be scheduling anything before 9:30 / 10:00 again. Already knew to be sure I wasn't in BR after 3:00.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:09 am to
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xiv
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fricking downtown BR, apparently

Could be worse, I guess!
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:15 am to
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most of us care enough about the state and country to bitch about it and maybe *gasp* do something about it. And by do something I mean something other than bend over backwards to let government frick us.

You sure showed the Man by moving to fricking Plaquemine

Plaquemine is the Brusly of Brusly.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
68426 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:18 am to
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I drove up for work yesterday morning - left New Orleans (close to Metairie) - a little before 6:45. Took about 2 hours, was at a standstill before Prairieville and got off and worked my way around the highway.


Damn, that's really fast! Normally, traffic should take about 2.5 hours minimum!

It regularly takes me two hours to get from the LA22 Exit in Sorrento to Downtown BR.

There are so many issues which have compounded to make these traffic nightmares:
1. the systematic destruction of our public school systems by segregation and the federal reaction to discrimination. Segregation never really went away because people tend to self-segregate. Mandatory integration of schools in BR via the Judge Parker decision did so much more than simply allow blacks to attend schools in white neighborhoods to the point that it completely destroyed the public school system. That left families with two options: pay a premium to send their kids to private school (often requiring them to drive well across town to do so since bussing for those schools isn't nearly as reliable or feasible), or move to a more affluent municipality or parish (read whiter) with better public schools. For those who can pay the premium, that's great. However, a lot of middle class families can't afford that, and they were forced to move out to the suburbs, but their jobs didn't move. THey just had to add an extra 20 miles to their daily commute to make it possible.

2. Federal environmental impact study requirements for undertaking large infrastructure projects: this policy has done more to slow down infrastructure development than any other. What used to take months to get started now takes decades, and costs are multiplied as a result. This, more so than almost any other policy change, has increased the price tag and time requirements for building new and expanding existing roads.

3. Wetlands Mitigation: this policy greatly constricts the places where roads can be built. When the policy was first implemented, the idea was to preserve existing wetlands by requiring developers who wanted to build something in a wetland to "mitigate" (i.e. pay to restore) one acre of wetland for every acre of wetland they developed. It started off as 1:1, then 1.5:1, then 2:1, and now it is many times that. The costs associated with mitigation for large-scale projects such as roads have now grown so exhorbitant as to be completely cost-prohibitive. In addition, by adopting a definition for "wetlands" and "waters of the United States" that are wholly incongruent with every other branch of government and government entity on the planet, the Army Corps of Engineers has essentially made every single square inch of Louisiana a wetland. Under existing policy, there is zero chance I-10 could have ever been built in the first place, which is why it is damn near impossible to improve it now. New roads essentially cannot be built through currently unpopulated areas in South Louisiana, meaning any new roads have to go through areas where imminent domain will be extremely expensive and politically laborious. Changing the definitions of "wetlands" or easing the mitigation requirements for road projects would decrease costs dramatically while also opening up a lot of areas where roads could go.

4. Zero planning by the metro council and parish councils in the suburban areas. This is actually one aspect where a lack of government intervention caused a major problem. If you look at older neighborhoods (prior to the late 1970's), you see that the streets are laid out (more or less) in a grid pattern. The neighborhoods have multiple entrances and exits and redundancy. However, when you get to newer areas, you see a complete shift in how those neighborhoods are laid out. The streets meander and dead-end, often having just one entrance/exit all dumping onto one state highway. Rather than an integrated grid, it's more like a family tree that blossoms in many directions, but eventually all branches from just one intersection. I don't know what changed in these councils at this time, but suddenly, allowing these types of developments rather than the older versions with connecting streets suddenly became the standard. This lack of connectivity causes those few streets that actually connect to quickly become over-burdened, and having all of these dead-end neighborhoods then becomes a blockade for actually building new highways to connect them. There is no thought, no plan, and no vision that would ever conceive of anything so idiotic as all of these developments in the aggregate. They simply make zero sense from a transportation standpoint.

5. A completely well-earned lack of trust between taxpayers and the government. We have a gas tax that was passed specifically to pay for road improvements and only road improvements, yet only a small fraction of the trust fund actually goes to pay for roads. The vast majority of it is made up of funding for municipal bus systems like CATS, funding for airports, dredging operations for ports, and state police. If the money in the gas tax were actually used for roads (and roads alone), the backlog of projects would be FINISHED (as in all the projects are BUILT) in less than 10 years. That is how much money that is being siphoned off to other things. This is why the public will not approve more taxes. The money never goes where the government says it will go, and the government says "well if you just give us a little bit more, THIS time we'll spend it wisely! We promise!!!!" No one's buying it. Literally the only thing that literally EVERYONE in this state can agree needs money is roads. So, politicians hold funding those roads hostage so they extract more taxes from citizens to fund everything else.

We have serious structural issues to fix in order to really do anything noticeable to fix our roads.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 9:53 am
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
14497 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:24 am to
Louisiana officials need to eat some humble pie and ask Texas officials for help. And then they need to act on that advice.

Why is this not a problem in any Texas city?
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
5381 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:27 am to
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Plaquemine is the Brusly of Brusly.


Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:29 am to
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Why is this not a problem in any Texas city?


You ever driven through Beaumont?
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
71314 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:30 am to
first grade math exceeds the problem solving skills of this political class.
Posted by Parade Grounds
BR,LA
Member since Jun 2017
866 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:36 am to
If people could just drive straight, stop texting and not hit anyone else there wouldn't be any traffic
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:38 am to
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xiv

Look, let's get past the fact that 90+% of people simply cannot adjust their lives the way you seem to think they can, and just look at the reality of your philosophy.

If everyone moved closer to where they work and just ignored the infrastructure problems, we would end up with incredibly dense population centers and huge chunks of unused land with failing infrastructure all around. It would move the traffic problem from the highways to the surface streets, and multiply it as a result. Your daily bike ride would become more treacherous with all the additional cars around, because very few people are going to give up the freedom and convenience of having their vehicle at work. People haul kids around, people run errands on their lunch breaks, etc. It would just be a nightmare, and it won't happen.

The more likely outcome if government continues to neglect infrastructure is businesses will move away entirely, and your property value will drop as it rots away unwanted surrounded by failing roads.
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:43 am to
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If everyone moved closer to where they work

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Your daily bike ride would become more treacherous with all the additional cars around, because very few people are going to give up the freedom and convenience of having their vehicle at work.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:54 am to
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If people could just drive straight, stop texting and not hit anyone else there wouldn't be any traffic
Yes there would. It wouldn't be quite as bad, but it would still be bad.

A highway with no onramps or exits can handle a huge amount of cars, and it can operate at near max capacity with no slowdowns. The problems we have stem from the location and design of our onramps and exits. We have exits that rob lanes from the fricking interstate, and require people to drive damn near perpendicular to the traffic to reach them. We have exits that get a ton of traffic, but they have stop lights that only let 10 cars through at a time. We have exits that require cars to slow down while they're still on the highway.

It's just piss poor design all around, and when things are near capacity every little hiccup turns into a huge cascading nightmare.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29000 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:59 am to
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Your daily bike ride would become more treacherous with all the additional cars around, because very few people are going to give up the freedom and convenience of having their vehicle at work.

Clearly you live a simple life with few responsibilities.

Maybe one day you'll understand what I'm talking about. Not today, certainly, but maybe one day.
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:07 am to
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Clearly you live a simple life with few responsibilities.

Maybe one day you'll understand what I'm talking about. Not today, certainly, but maybe one day.
There’s nobody who doesn’t understand what you’re talking about.

I get at least 10 more hours of free time per week than you do. What a sucker I am.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
22322 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:13 am to
Without a doubt the BEST subject title I have ever seen on this board. You stated the problem and then the other problem in succint fashion with humor.

Very well done OP. No BS... Awesome subject title.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18758 posts
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:14 am to
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Look at most other cities, and you'll see that their medical districts are near downtown. But here in Baton Rouge it's all the way out at Essen Lane, creating a second focal point for rush hour traffic.


Urban sprawl, in general, has created a massive strain on the already poorly suited road system.
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