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re: The average US house now requires a salary of $106k-a-year - $50k more than in 2020
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
Maybe not in Alaska, but they definitely do along the gulf coast. There are literally entire trades where I have never met a single worker who spoke English as a first language.
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Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not legit construction tredes with union apprenticeships.
Holy shite...that may be the first upvote I've ever given you, Rog. Spot on though; illegals aren't working for unions or above-board construction companies.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:21 am to Bistineaubengal
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Gen X here. Yeah, I'm pretty pissed for my kids.
You haven't seen anything yet. With the shortfalls in Social Security and Medicare, the FedGov is about to tax the shite out of Gen-X and the older Millenials to support the Boomers in retirement.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:21 am to kingbob
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Classic gen x or boomer who thinks they struggled and that millennials and gen z are soft without realizing that the lifestyle they look back on as a “grind”, their “started at the bottom” is a completely unattainable dream for most younger folks. Their rock bottom is our deluxe apartment in the sky
Such a pussy perspective. Plenty of us millennials have done the same thing and own homes and not shitty starter homes.
Wife and I built a 350k house in 2015 with 40% down (no gifts, our own money) and we were in our late 20s.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:21 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Holy shite...that may be the first upvote I've ever given you, Rog. Spot on though; illegals aren't working for unions or above-board construction companies.
Correct, and the wages reflect that.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:22 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Illegals aren't stealing middle class jobs.
You're an idiot if you truly believe this.
You don't think trades and construction are middle class jobs? Go to the Home Depot parking lot and you can find a ton of Hondurans (not just Mexicans) that are willing to do those jobs cheaper because they don't pay taxes and insurance.
There are many examples I could make but Dems have cleared the way for illegals to come and take jobs.
You are one of the useful idiots who believes the Dems talking point that they are just coming here and doing the shite jobs no one else wants. That's just not true.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Not legit construction tredes with union apprenticeships.
You don't have to be union. Plenty of local HVAC techs, plumbers, etc working on SFH construction and nonunion jobs.
Go to any DSLD subdivision and you will be lucky to find an English speaker outside of the foreman.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:25 am to stout
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You don't think trades and construction are middle class jobs? Go to the Home Depot parking lot
Construction trades are the only real area where labor unions function correctly. Those guys are hired out of the union hall, and their benefits come through the union (though paid by various employers) and they get lifetime training in union classes (usually paid for by industry and/or Government)
Unions still work in the trades where workers are Journeyman, and they are better quality usually than non union help
Illegals arent getting these jobs without massive shenanigans.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:27 am to mmmmmbeeer
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illegals aren't working for unions or above-board construction companies.
You have no idea how it works. Once it gets down to the subs of the project there are tons of illegals. Do you think the drywall guys on say a hotel job are legal American citizens?
That doesn't mean the main contractor subbing out the job isn't "above board".
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:28 am to stout
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You're an idiot if you truly believe this.
You don't think trades and construction are middle class jobs? Go to the Home Depot parking lot and you can find a ton of Hondurans (not just Mexicans) that are willing to do those jobs cheaper because they don't pay taxes and insurance.
There are many examples I could make but Dems have cleared the way for illegals to come and take jobs.
You are one of the useful idiots who believes the Dems talking point that they are just coming here and doing the shite jobs no one else wants. That's just not true.
A roofer isn't a middle class job, dude. A guy who puts up fences isn't someone with a middle class job. You're talking about low skill labor which has always paid shite, regardless of who they are. The owners of these businesses do well, not the workers.
Teachers, fire/police/EMS, secretaries, truck drivers, plant supervisors, nurses, etc... These are middle class professions. Illegals aren't stealing these jobs.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:28 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Man, talk about having it good.
It was. I too am partially to blame. I voted Democrat until about 2008, but I was smart enough to stop. You, on the other hand.....
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:29 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:define "working for"
illegals aren't working for unions or above-board construction companies.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:29 am to mmmmmbeeer
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A roofer isn't a middle class job, dude.
Indeed. Neither is your small reno outfits, lots of crooks in that occupation.
The trades are a different story.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:30 am to mmmmmbeeer
Teachers aren’t really middle class anymore. Most I know have to work second jobs just to get by.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:30 am to BoogaBear
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Such a pussy perspective
It’s what king bob is
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:31 am to stout
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Do you think the drywall guys on say a hotel job are legal American citizens?
Low skilled, not a middle class job.
You keep pointing out construction jobs where you'd also traditionally find ex-cons, addicts, high school dropouts, college kids working summer jobs to earn a few bucks.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:31 am to kingbob
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That’s true, but I don’t know anyone making anything near that in their 20’s unless they live in a Brooklyn shoe box.
Meh. I do. Late 20s. Have about 5-7 years experience at what they do. This is metro Atlanta.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 11:32 am
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:32 am to kingbob
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Teachers aren’t really middle class anymore.
Where?
Cops and teachers make solid middle class money in many cities.
We are all losing purchasing power.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:32 am to kingbob
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Teachers aren’t really middle class anymore. Most I know have to work second jobs just to get by.
Exactly my point, man. The middle class is disappearing...and it's not because of fricking illegals.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 11:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Unions still work in the trades where workers are Journeyman, and they are better quality usually than non union help
Look, I have been a local contractor forever. Very few independent guys are paying union dues because they don't need it. I have had one plumber in 20 years who was union and when he got to a point where his SFH work outnumbered everything else he dropped the dues and BS so he could hire labor. They were an obstacle to his business.
There is a lot of work out there where a union is not needed for tradesmen and yes there are illegals working as HVAC techs, plumbers, etc.
You and mmmmmmmmcreampie can pretend that isn't happening but I am telling you 100% it is. Go to Coburn's today and you will see HVAC and plumbers pull up to buy parts, who aren't union, and have Mexican techs with them.
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