re: The 20th Century...WTF Happened?

Makes you wonder what's coming this century. Maybe society already went through its rebellious teenage angst and we've leveled off in the 21st, but I'm inclined to think the climax of the human story is right around the corner.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, I'm pretty sure that right now, we're in what a lot of people would consider the most peaceful time in human history. But it wouldn't surprise me if we were on the brink of another big event.

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Extreme nationalism helped spur on Hitler

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Germany's nationalism wasn't in response to an existential demographic threat back then as it is now. 1920's nationalism was imperialistic and expansive. Current nationalist sentiments in Europe should not be compared to the nationalism of the imperialist age. And it's certainly dubious to compare Hitler with contemporary nationalist resurgence in Germany.

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Germany's nationalism wasn't in response to an existential demographic threat back then as it is now. 1920's nationalism was imperialistic and expansive. Current nationalist sentiments in Europe should not be compared to the nationalism of the imperialist age. And it's certainly dubious to compare Hitler with contemporary nationalist resurgence in Germany.

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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to compare the two altogether. It's just interesting to me that the last time that there was a strong nationalist movement in Germany was during that time.

It's weird to me that a country that has been so important to world culture has allowed itself to be so subdued on a world scale. They're still paying Poland and France for something that took place so long ago.

Germany was like a national metaphor of Jekyll and Hyde. They could be so great for cultural steps but they had that militaristic instinct that really bit them in the arse in the first two generations of the 20th Century.

I would also like to add that Germany had two of the best militaries of all time in WWI and WWII. They really were pretty incredible.

year 1.....

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The fact that they lost both wars is a testament to the stupidity of their political leaders.

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They got screwed big time in WWI in that the Austro-Hungarian Empire was their main ally and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack. But I agree, their leadership in politics screwed them in both wars.

I can't remember who said it in the German high command, maybe von Falkenhayn, but the saying was about the Austro-Hungarian Empire and that Germany was "fettered to a corpse"

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I thought I read something that said that Germany is going through a rash of extreme nationalism especially from those in the military.

Extreme nationalism helped spur on Hitler.

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Maybe they need some nationalism to take on the muzzie horde that has invaded them and is breeding their demise at their own expense.
Maybe they need some nationalism to unseat the globalist leaders who have cucked their nation and much of Europe in order to destroy a strong pro European identity.

Maybe nationalism is the only thing that will save Europe.

Need another crusade looks like.

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They got screwed big time in WWI in that the Austro-Hungarian Empire was their main ally and couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack.

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They still would have won WWI if not for the sinking of the Lusitania. The Communist Revolution in Russia had already taken them out and the French were holding on for dear life on the Western Front. If the Americans stay out, the Germans fighting the Ruskies joining their comrades on the Western Front likely would have finally broken the French and either allowed the Germans to finally capture Paris or at least force the Brits and Frenchmen to the negotiation table.

As for WWII, we can say that had they just not made the decision to invade Russia, everything would have been hunky-dory, but considering the incompatibility of Nazism and Communism, conflict between Germany and the Soviet Union was inevitable. If something needs to be done eventually, it's best done immediately.

I do wonder how things would have been different if the U.S. stayed out of the European Theater (continued lend/lease and cash and carry but remained neutral militarily). Would Rommel have been victorious in North Africa and taken Egypt and the Suez Canal from Britain? Would such a victory have forced Britain to the negotiating table resulting in a peace that leaves the Nazis in control of North Africa and France? Would the resources otherwise lost in North Africa and countering allied invasions in Italy and France be enough to allow them to defeat the Soviets?

It's a fascinating topic to think about.