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re: Texas woman accused of attacking queer couple faces hate crime charges
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:19 pm to shel311
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:19 pm to shel311
quote:
The guy you just quoted is the guy who thinks using per capita is bullshite. He's the guy you disagree with, but here you are
Talk about not knowing what you are arguing about
Oh, bless your heart
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Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:"everyone"
Bingo. If everyone misunderstands you, the problem ain't them.
quote:Agree or disagree?
The per capita bullshite is useless.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:22 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:That guy said "The per capita bullshite is useless."
Talk about not knowing what you are arguing about
Oh, bless your heart
And you agree with him. Cool cool.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:23 pm to shel311
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That guy said "The per capita bullshite is useless." And you agree with him. Cool cool.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:23 pm to shel311
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That's how percentages of a population work.
Then you take that % and compare it to the population of that race as a whole so you can adjust it per capita to get a better representation of the numbers. I'm not sure which part of that you don't agree with?
Per capita more men go to jail than women. must be sexist.
or is it because men commit more violent crimes? And women that do commit violent crimes still get punished?
The hate crime thing is so much harder to figure out. For instance, did the nola teens that killed the white lady do it because shes white? was it because shes old and an easy target? What if it was white teens that killed an old black woman? Would there be a hate crime just because?
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:24 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Why do you think using per capita is useless?
DemonKA3268
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:24 pm to dgnx6
quote:Why would it mean that it's sexist? Why did you formulate that opinion?
Per capita more men go to jail than women. must be sexist.
You don't think it matters that 2 races commit roughly the same amount of violent crime when once race has about 5x the population? You'd argue they have the same problem with violent crimes across both races since the raw data is somewhat comparable?
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:26 pm to shel311
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Why do you think using per capita is useless?
I don’t. Now that we’ve past all the mutual bullshite. Why are some crimes more likely to be hate crimes if it affects certain demographics? Crime is crime, right?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:27 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Thanks for agreeing with me. So why did you reply in agreement to the poster who said that?
I don’t.
quote:I completely agree. But I'm not sure what that has to do with your initial comment insinuating black people don't get hit with hate crimes when the data suggests otherwise?
Why are some crimes more likely to be hate crimes if it affects certain demographics? Crime is crime, right?
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:27 pm to shel311
The percentages you posted don't really prove this wrong
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Hate crimes create a victim privilege. I have seen many videos on the OT where a black man has clearly attacked a white or asian person senselessly and under circumstances where a "hate crime" likely occurred. But, they aren very rarely prosecuted that way.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:29 pm to jchamil
quote:That's fair. But...we can ask that poster if he only thought that re: videos posted on the OT and if he felt the opposite of what happens across the board. I think we both know what that answer would be.
The percentages you posted don't really prove this wrong
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:29 pm to shel311
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But I'm not sure what that has to do with your initial comment insinuating black people don't get hit with hate crimes when the data suggests otherwise?
Sure doesn’t seem that way though does it? I guess those stories never hit the news like this story. Straight couple and it’s not even an issue.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:30 pm to shel311
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Why would it mean that it's sexist? Why did you formulate that opinion?
I dont have that opinion because im not looking at per capita. Im looking at the fact men commit more crimes, or at least serious ones. not sure about things like theft. but looking at per capita is how i would come to that conclusion.
So if you have one group comitting the most murders and commit the most murders against people outside their race yet have way less hate crime convictions, how is saying per capita they are arrested for hate crimes more even close to being reality?
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:30 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:The media is biased. That should not be anything new to you or I.
Sure doesn’t seem that way though does it?
But the facts/data from the US Government shows you what is really happening, and per capita the known offenders tend to be black more than white.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:32 pm to dgnx6
quote:I still don't understand your comparison.
I dont have that opinion because im not looking at per capita. Im looking at the fact men commit more crimes, or at least serious ones. not sure about things like theft.
Isn't the women/men ratio like 51/49 or something? SO I don't see where you're going with that as a per capita comparison.
I'll ask again very directly, if 2 races commit roughly the same amount of violent crimes(give or take) do you think those 2 races have the same problem with violent crime or do you factor in that 1 race is 5x the population of the other race so maybe the smaller race seems to have a bigger issue? Where do you fall with that data?
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:32 pm to shel311
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But the facts/data from the US Government shows you what is really happening, and per capita the known offenders tend to be black more than white.
Correct.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:33 pm to dgnx6
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The hate crime thing is so much harder to figure out
Its a ruse to make certain people feel better about themselves.
Its adding a thought crime to an actual crime.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:35 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:So that is correct you stated.
Correct.
Also, poster replied that "per capita is useless." I used his logic to show how his logic didn't seem to work.
So...I'm still not sure what you disagreed with then?
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:36 pm to shel311
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So...I'm still not sure what you disagreed with then?
I must’ve read it wrong. Was juggling a meeting and this.
Posted on 8/9/22 at 1:36 pm to shel311
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I'll ask again very directly, if 2 races commit roughly the same amount of violent crimes(give or take) do you think those 2 races have the same problem with violent crime or do you factor in that 1 race is 5x the population of the other race so maybe the smaller race seems to have a bigger issue? Where do you fall with that data?
Two things, you have guys committing multiple crimes so its really like 2-3% of the population you are talking about. im just saying a better gage is to look at the crime statistics and not the entire population.
i belive i saw it was 50% of hate crimes are done by whites and 22% by blacks. Those are just guestimates on what i read earlier. So looking at just crime stats, black people arent arrested per capita more for hate crimes. thats what im getting at. using crime data, not the entire population.
This post was edited on 8/9/22 at 1:38 pm
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