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re: Tesla to introduce car without steering wheel within 2 years
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:00 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:00 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
Severe inefficiencies in countless markets
Better use of current infrastructure, reduce need for more
Tens of thousands of vehicle deaths per year
Sounds like you're making my point here.
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Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:05 pm to TheFlyingTiger
quote:
Sounds like you're making my point here.
I dont even know your point because you're speaking in random cryptic pseudo-liberterianisms.
My point is driving currently is:
Severely inefficient in countless markets
Is a terrible use of current infrastructure, and we need more
Causes tens of thousands of vehicle deaths per year
Switching to autonomous vehicles would significantly reduce all of these if they were mandated so people like you didn't insist on driving around cutting people off, slowing us all down and killing us.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 1:20 pm to KosmoCramer
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people like you didn't insist on driving around cutting people off, slowing us all down and killing us.
You sure make a lotta assumptions here.
The last place I wanna be is where there are mandates like this. The loss of freedom and the amount of taxation that would be levied "for the greater good" in the name of this would be insane.
Special lanes as options, private tolls, etc would be most likely the first adaptation of this idea, eventually turning into most of the interstate being autonomous with only a couple of manual lanes.
Driving is inefficient because from production to consumption to operation of the roads, lights etc, the profit motive is completely skewed in favor of centralized control.
CAFE standards,
corruption in the bidding/building/pay for it process is extraordinarily inefficient.
Hell, the fact that people live so far from where they work is inefficient, and that's usually because QOL and crime in the centrally controlled cities is out of control.
People move to more free areas and commute just to get away from it all. That factor may not be explicitly in their minds but it's effectively what they're doing.
You're asking for more of that, and I'm the crazy one that just once wants to try it another way.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:05 pm to mdomingue
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I feel the same way but it got me wondering how many steer by wire cars there are now and whether that is really any better.
At least you can buy Toyota for a while - you know they won't implement it until it is already old tech for other companies.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
I'm convinced more than ever that Elon Musk is either a time traveler and/or Alien that came here to enslave the human race.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:47 pm to NYNolaguy1
No way in hell I'm getting in an autonomous car let alone one without a steering wheel. See you at the scene of the crash.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:53 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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No way in hell I'm getting in an autonomous car let alone one without a steering wheel. See you at the scene of the crash.
I feel the same. I agree with the poster on the first page that they are probably better than the average driver though. My daughter will be a teenager next year and I'll be ok with this over another damn teen driver. I'm 26 years without an at fault accident so I'm not the guy you need with no steering wheel.
My wife is a shitty driver too. I'd yank her damn steering wheel out this evening if I could. Let the bots do it
Posted on 4/23/19 at 2:55 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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What could possibly go wrong?
Probably much less than when you, me, or anyone else is driving a car. Emotion is removed from decision making, it is going to obey traffic laws, not speed, not tailgate, etc. The sensor system will having better visibility of the surroundings than a human, especially at night, and in bad weather. And probably a hundred other positive things that will outweigh the small possibility of a technical issue causing a accident.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:09 pm to fallguy_1978
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I feel the same. I agree with the poster on the first page that they are probably better than the average driver though.
They probably are. It's a low bar. I love driving and I'm good at it. My skills have saved my arse on the road countless times. I take my car to the track; go ride the Dragon. Could never trust a bunch of sensors to judge the situation correctly. Not enough to trust them with my life and the lives of others. Besides, when some evil bastard hacks the autonomous car communication system, accelerates everyone to ludicrous speed and then crashes all of them into a fiery metal death pile, I'll be zigging around the carnage.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:12 pm to Saint Alfonzo
quote:Won't even stop to help, what a dick!!!
Besides, when some evil bastard hacks the autonomous car communication system, accelerates everyone to ludicrous speed and then crashes all of them into a fiery metal death pile, I'll be zigging around the carnage.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:13 pm to shel311
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Won't even stop to help, what a dick!!!
Stop and the machines have your arse. Game over.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:26 pm to NYNolaguy1
so basically when you get in the screen pops up with your last will and testimony . I mean this sounds safe. how would you like to be the actual first person to test this in actual city traffic during rush hour ?
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:30 pm to FLObserver
quote:Rush hour is basically bumper to bumper, I'd do that no problem.
I mean this sounds safe. how would you like to be the actual first person to test this in actual city traffic during rush hour ?
Now cruising down the interstate at 70mph, that would be more dangerous. Granted, that can be done now and requires very little to no manual intervention, but yea, no wheel at all takes it up a notch or 10.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:35 pm to shel311
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Rush hour is basically bumper to bumper, I'd do that no problem.
Now cruising down the interstate at 70mph, that would be more dangerous. Granted, that can be done now and requires very little to no manual intervention, but yea, no wheel at all takes it up a notch or 10.
There wont be bumper to bumper traffic in a fully automated commute.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:35 pm to Geauxtiga
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Insurance about to soar more.
Insurance cost will shift from the car owner to the manufacturer and the companies that provide the sensors and software code that makes it all work.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:40 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:That's not what we're talking about.
There wont be bumper to bumper traffic in a fully automated commute.
We're going to have cars with no steering wheels in 5 years or less. We won't have a fully automated commute of most, or all cars for many many decades IMO.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:40 pm to captainahab
quote:Which will then raise prices of cars and indirectly shifting the shifted costs back to the car owners.
Insurance cost will shift from the car owner to the manufacturer and the companies that provide the sensors and software code that makes it all work.
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:42 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
There wont be bumper to bumper traffic in a fully automated commute.
Urban Planners disagree
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:50 pm to KosmoCramer
quote:
There wont be bumper to bumper traffic in a fully automated commute
The frick?
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:51 pm to Janky
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The frick?
?
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