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re: Terrence Howard is back on Joe Rogan, this time debating with Eric Weinstein
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:25 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:25 pm to GRTiger
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You know going in he thinks it's bullshite, but the methods by which he gets there are admirable and commendable.
It's very commendable, indeed. However, I'm an hour in and I'm becoming frustrated, like Eric, when Terrance keeps jumping ahead in the discussion outline that Eric is trying to follow in order to not have the conversation derailed. It doesn't help that Joe, in the interest of being fair to Terrance I presume, insists that Eric halt the discussion and address the derailments then and there.
I'm getting a lot of actor ego energy from Howard, and his name dropping of intellectuals in what seems to be out of context moments is annoying.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:28 pm to GRTiger
I'll say this as I'm at the 1:58 mark and had to pause because the last 10 minutes prior is some good shite. I think its about to get even better. I'm an absolute chimp compared to both Terrance and Eric. Even Rogan has been largely quiet and is sucking it all in while just letting these two talk. Respectfully talk to one another.
I bet Eric will come away from this in the next 2 hours saying Terrance isn't crazy or stupid or silly. Not completely right? Of course. Realizing TH is thinking in ways not many have and having a point? For sure. Eric should collaborate and see if they can come up w some new shite.
I bet Eric will come away from this in the next 2 hours saying Terrance isn't crazy or stupid or silly. Not completely right? Of course. Realizing TH is thinking in ways not many have and having a point? For sure. Eric should collaborate and see if they can come up w some new shite.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:37 pm to Sao
I a few hours in. Eric commends Terrence effort and enthusiasm but thinks he’s ignorant in math in particular. He likes his geometry ingenuity but mathematically he’s ignorant.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:39 pm to facher08
Joe Rogan giving these quacks a platform of perceived credibility is a big part of the problem.
Terrance Howard is just Craig the crackhead that hung out by the circle K and gave unannounced pearls of stimulant based wisdom.
Terrance Howard is just Craig the crackhead that hung out by the circle K and gave unannounced pearls of stimulant based wisdom.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:41 pm to Rouge
You think Eric Weinstein is a quack?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:42 pm to Rouge
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Joe Rogan giving these quacks a platform of perceived credibility is a big part of the problem.
We're balls deep into the disinformation age, and people willingly consume it.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:45 pm to OMLandshark
That's why I saw that podcast and decided to listen to something else. Not because of Weinstein though. Terrance sounded like a quack from the onset.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:46 pm to BigPerm30
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You think Eric Weinstein is a quack?
Weinstein is quite methodical. I enjoy listening to his talks, and I also criticize for this obvious farce.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:46 pm to BigPerm30
But your ignoring the crux of the debate which is mathematics isn't Howard's absolute. It's also geometry, astrophysics etc.
In fact, Eric is basing his beliefs on someone else's mathematics, for example in their questioning if there is or is not a point "is a body ever at rest". If motion, if it ever wasn't in motion, ever ceases to be in motion after it is in motion. Think about that.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:50 pm to Rouge
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Weinstein is quite methodical. I enjoy listening to his talks, and I also criticize for this obvious farce.
You are criticizing him for putting himself in this situation? I think any time you can get on Rogan, you go. No other platform his reach. Eric is coming off really good on how he’s handling Terrance.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:53 pm to BigPerm30
quote:correct
You are criticizing him for putting himself in this situation?
quote:I disagree. In academic circles, he is likely getting either laughed at or being called a sellout. That is his perogative to get attention and money as he sees fit, but it will do him no favors on academic circles.
I think any time you can get on Rogan, you go. No other platform his reach.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
All I have to contribute here.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:56 pm to BigPerm30
Both are being really amazing in my point of view. In your totally non-OT and objective view of the podcast so far, all BS aside, is Terrance looking or sounding unhinged, ridiculous or silly?
Posted on 7/1/24 at 4:59 pm to Rouge
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In academic circles, he is likely getting either laughed at or being called a sellout. That is his perogative to get attention and money as he sees fit, but it will do him no favors on academic circles.
watch the podcast. He legit addresses why academia does this very thing. How it's destructive to the purpose.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:00 pm to Sao
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Terrance looking or sounding unhinged, ridiculous or silly?
In his original interview he was intriguing but I was highly skeptical. Eric is trying to be as nice to him as possible but he’s completely unhinged.
Terrence has an outcome he wants then makes up a bunch of shite to get to his outcome.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:02 pm to Rouge
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I disagree. In academic circles, he is likely getting either laughed at or being called a sellout. That is his perogative to get attention and money as he sees fit, but it will do him no favors on academic circles.
Academia is a bunch of arse clowns anyway. This is completely harmless for Eric. He’s helping Joe’s monkey brain out. By no means did anyone think this was going to be some sort of debate.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:10 pm to BigPerm30
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Eric is trying to be as nice to him as possible but he’s completely unhinged.
That the way I see it. He's shooting down Terrence's theories while being as complimentary as possible.
NDT nailed it when he said that this was a prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:24 pm to kjp811
Just now to a point where Eric is going into what is known as the Double Copy. The DMT of this stuff if you will, according to him. He then says he met with a guy at UCLA about it blah blah helix Newtonian force of gravitation
All I'm saying here is, Eric meets with a guy at UCLA and cites his work as universal truth. He seems like a true prodigy genius but the more he goes on, the more he seems to believe, side with and regurgitate academics he "trusts", while at the same time say academia has a goal of sidelining guys like Terrance. Interesting twists going on at 2:30 in.
All I'm saying here is, Eric meets with a guy at UCLA and cites his work as universal truth. He seems like a true prodigy genius but the more he goes on, the more he seems to believe, side with and regurgitate academics he "trusts", while at the same time say academia has a goal of sidelining guys like Terrance. Interesting twists going on at 2:30 in.
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:27 pm to Rouge
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In academic circles, he is likely getting either laughed at or being called a sellout. That is his perogative to get attention and money as he sees fit, but it will do him no favors on academic circles.
He doesn't care, nor should he. He explained at the start of the podcast how he feels about the pretentious nature of many in academia, and how their condescension discourages lay people from taking an interest in math/science. Howard is misguided in his thinking and I don't agree with him, but I fail to see why anyone should have a problem with someone walking him through why he is wrong. Throwing around accusations of platforming, is what leftists do.
ETA: At 1:32:30 or so, Eric reiterates this point saying that Terrance is often on the correct path at times, but then "steps on a landmine" and instead of reaching out and helping, academics just laugh at him. Eric says "that makes him crazy".
This post was edited on 7/1/24 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:44 pm to kjp811
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NDT nailed it when he said that this was a prime example of the Dunning Kruger effect.
yeah NDT was brutal in that response to howard but honest and fair
when he busted Howard right off the jump n the fallacy that a candle in the mirror is the equivalent of two candles I was done with Howard’s ego driven BS
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