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re: Tell me if my thoughts on roulette are incorrect

Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:14 pm to
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4837 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:14 pm to
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I’m laughing at the thought that someone of this level of intelligence could actually become the AG of Louisiana.


I didn't want to bring politics into it, but you know we have a higher official than AG of LA who went broke playing as the house. Multiple times.
Posted by herbstreit4
Buckeye Lake
Member since Dec 2007
1714 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:25 pm to
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It hit Black 16 times in a row and I lost my arse.


If you started with a modest $5 bet you would have dropped 325k.

I don't believe you.
Posted by F Secunda8
Member since Mar 2017
280 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:48 pm to
Why hedge 0/00? I’ve only ever seen it hit once.
If you can throw $2-3 on it since your black/red bet is an outside bet then I understand but if you’re talking a $19 hedge bed that crazy.
(Thinking L’Auberge $10 bet minumum)
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
10006 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:53 pm to
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if black hits 10 times in a row, what is the probability that it will hit an 11th time in a row?


I sort of tested this theory last weekend at Hard Rock in Biloxi, it is the same.

For chuckles and giggles, I played all the black numbers after long streak of red numbers winning. I placed a big .25 cent bet on all the black numbers. (They have robotic roulette.) Guess what, I lost because the next number was still red.

So it is always less than 50 winning percentage with the green spaces. Luckily, the green numbers of hell did not come out that day. But you can always hear that bet on splitting the 0’s or a corner bet.

I usually always play slots, but the tables have been calling my name ever since stepping into a casino. I find tables are much slower pace than slots, but I guess it can be more sociable where at least you can talk to the person next to you and not be freaked out by it.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
12x Award Winning SECRant user
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:57 pm to
This thread reminds me of the “I’d save gas by driving 100mph because I wouldn’t be driving as long” thread.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90020 posts
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:18 pm to
The whole first page is embarrassing. People say he's wrong, but offer their own poor strategies instead. I assume the other 7 after that are much the same.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:03 am to
Let me introduce you to my friend variance.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35356 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:27 am to
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There is just as much an opportunity as 1 hitting 100 times in a row as your number hitting once.
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donRANDOMnumbers
Your username is either a disappointment or extemely appropriate. Either way, your post is incorrect, and arguably even less defensible than the OP'S.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35356 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:41 am to
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if black hits 10 times in a row, what is the probability that it will hit an 11th time in a row?
There was an interesting scenario in The Black Swan Book (it can't remember if it was a hypothetical or not), that goes something like this.

He presents the following scenario a mathematician or statistician and to some street smartX blue collar guy.

A coin is flipped 50 times, and lands on heads each time. Which side has a better opportunity of landing in the next flip?

Statistician Neither, it's 50//50 each time.

Street Smart Guy Heads.

And who is right in this scenario scenario? The street Smart guy, because he was aware of the probability but also recognized that 50 heads in a row had such a low probability, that the coin was probably rigged to land on heads.

The scenario is much better in the book, but makes it an interesting point about reevaluating our priors (I think it may have been about bayesian statistics) regarding things we believe are random and follow a certain set a rules.

That was was probably pointless, and definitely irrelevant but o well.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9550 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 5:29 am to
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Statistician Neither, it's 50//50 each time.


No it isn't it is 46.37%. You forgot about 0 and 00. Edit: just realized you were flipping a coin and retract my previous statement.
This post was edited on 6/14/18 at 5:31 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
92622 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 6:03 am to
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If you played $5 on the same number for 36 times($180/5=36 hands you can play) you would have a 94.7% probability to at least win your money back.


Your probability doesn't change with repetition. There aren't finite number of "4"s for example. Your chance to win, if betting a single space, is the same, spin to spin. The lower the probability, the less value get from multiple spins. And the house doesn't have to do anything to win - players just have to lose more than they win (collectively).

And the house always wins in the end.
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4939 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:42 am to
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If you played $5 on the same number for 36 times($180/5=36 hands you can play) you would have a 94.7% probability to at least win your money back.


This may have been covered already but when you bet on a number in roulette, 1/38 outcomes win and 37/38 outcomes lose.

37/38 = 0.97368421052663158 x 100 = 97.37% rounded up.

So if you bet on one number each spin, each spin gives you a 97.37% chance of losing.

If you spin 38 times in a row, you have .9737 x .9737 x .9737 etc. for 38 spins (so .9737^38) = .3632 which 36.32% chance of never winning in 38 spins and a 63.68% chance of winning at least once.
Posted by BrotherEsau
Member since Aug 2011
3565 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:09 am to
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That’s what I’m asking. Tell me how the probability is wrong.



Assuming you are betting on one number - there are 38 possible outcomes on each spin. That does NOT mean that if you spin 38 times, every number hits one time. What it means is every time you spin, you have a 1 in 38 chance of hitting your number.

Same thing as flipping a coin. 50-50 chance of heads or tails on each spin. That does not mean that if you flip ten times, you'll get five heads and five tails. You might, but you might not.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:11 am to
Each spin is an entirely independent event that is unrelated to any previous or future spins.

But frick me if I don't wait for 5 in a row of one color and then bet the other color

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