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re: Teacher who had phone stolen and nudes stolen may face criminal charges
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:21 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:21 pm to shel311
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If there is a policy regarding inappropriate material at school
Not when it has been specifically stated that she did not violate the policy
quote:
I think she violated it
What you think doesn't matter.
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:23 pm to NoHoTiger
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I never said she didn't violate any policy
This was your quote in reply to a post I made which had nothing to do with the actual cell phone bit:
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And there is NO frickING POLICY for her to be violating.
So is there "no policy" or "no cell phone policy", but maybe she's still violating "a" policy?
You can see how that quote would confuse me, I'm guessing? It definitely insinuates she violated zero policies.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:25 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Mother of God, no. WTF is going on here.
Not when it has been specifically stated that she did not violate the policy
It specifically stated she did not violate a very specifically worded policy because that one did not exist. It did not say she did not violate ANY policy. Is this real life?
quote:
What you think doesn't matter.
Oooooooh, sick burn, because your opinion on this is just waiting to be heard from the police and superintendent!!!
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:27 pm to shel311
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And there is NO frickING POLICY for her to be violating.
Oh for frick's sake, we were talking about the specific cell phone policy.
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You can see how that quote would confuse me, I'm guessing?
Only because you lost track of what we were talking about
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It definitely insinuates she violated zero policies.
No it doesn't. In the context of the cell phone policy conversation, I was talking about the cell phone policy.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:29 pm to shel311
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because your opinion on this is just waiting to be heard from the police and superintendent!!!
No, my opinion doesn't matter either. And it wasn't meant to be a burn.
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It specifically stated she did not violate a very specifically worded policy because that one did not exist.
And since the policy does not exist, it cannot be violated. That's the nature of policies and procedures.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:30 pm to shel311
Nice straw man
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:31 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Then I don't know what you're talking about because for 2 days I've been painfully clear on my insinuation that she, again logically, violated a policy against inappropriate materials at school. I've never once harped on the specific to cell phones policy.
No it doesn't. In the context of the cell phone policy conversation, I was talking about the cell phone policy.
So my position is rather clear.
Not sure why you'd keep bringing up her specific quote if this is the case, that doesn't really make sense in the context of this debate if you acknowledge that, yes, there may ver well be another policy she did violate.
And again, if they don't have a policy and she can bring and show her nudies to all fellow students and teachers with no regard, then yes I'm wrong.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:32 pm to RB10
quote:It's very different. A teacher brought to school a device that had nude photos of her on it, and she left it unattended. What you are describing is burglary.
A kid breaks into your house and finds a personal video of you and your lady/man doing the deed. Would you be charged then?
This is no different.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:33 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I don't think that means what you think it means.
Nice straw man
Stating she did not violate a policy specific to cell phones does not mean she did not violate any policy. You're actually disagreeing with that?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Interim superintendent David Eubanks told The State that Arthur might also be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
wow...well, probably already been said but
he's just tryin to be a badazz
"told the state"....as if the state jumps when he speaks...
I don't see a States attorney trying to sell this to a jury...time will tell
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:42 pm to shel311
No I'm saying having a nude photo on your phone doesn't equate to sprawling nude photos on your desk.
In fact, I would argue that any teacher that had a phone with Internet access and no porn sites blocked would be in violation of this mythical policy as well.
In fact, I would argue that any teacher that had a phone with Internet access and no porn sites blocked would be in violation of this mythical policy as well.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:53 pm to shel311
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shel311
Just to be clear: Which policy do you think she violated?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
So. When is Erin Andrews gonna get threatened with similar charges?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:59 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Well if it's a "mythical" policy, then why can't you sprawl out nudes on your desk? Are you saying doing that would violate a policy, most likely?
No I'm saying having a nude photo on your phone doesn't equate to sprawling nude photos on your desk. In fact, I would argue that any teacher that had a phone with Internet access and no porn sites blocked would be in violation of this mythical policy as well.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:01 pm to shel311
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Are you saying doing that would violate a policy, most likely?
All we're saying is that you can't state this "would violate a policy, most likely" you have to be sepcific about what policies are violated. You cannot assume the violation of a policy that may or may not exist regardless of how logical the policy may seem. If the policy does not exist, it cannot be violated. If a policy exists, it must be specific (within reason). "No inappropriate material" is not a specific policy. Inappropriate material is subjective.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:02 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Something along the lines of teachers/students not having pornographic material or more likely a more generic term of inappropriate material at school. I've said it 1000 times and no one has replied yet to tell me that is a terrible assumption, so I think it's a rather fair one to make, right?
Just to be clear: Which policy do you think she violated?
Hence, your...or maybe it was the other poster...point about changing clothes in a bathroom, that doesn't violate that assumed policy, seems pretty clear that it wouldn't.
I know I went to a slight extreme with the nudes sprawled out over a desk, but that was to point out that, yea, i'm sure that the school wouldn't allow that and has a policy for that. I'm also sure the policy doesn't specifically state "no nude polaroids sprawled out over your desk" lol.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:03 pm to shel311
Because that's distribution of pornography to minors.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:04 pm to NoHoTiger
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"No inappropriate material" is not a specific policy. Inappropriate material is subjective.
This was going to be my next point.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:07 pm to upgrayedd
I take my penis with me everywhere. It's only inappropriate in a school if I whip it out. An I violating a policy by having genitals?
Or is there a reasonable expectation of privacy while wearing pants?
Or is there a reasonable expectation of privacy while wearing pants?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 6:09 pm to Boats n Hose
You should have a zipper AND a button fly! You're just being negligent if you don't!
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 6:13 pm
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