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re: Tangi deputies respond to call about a suicidal suspect, then shoot suspect
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:01 pm to BIGJLAW
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:01 pm to BIGJLAW
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OK so since you have the answers, who do you suggest calling once a mentally unstable person has a gun is threatening harm to themselves or someone else, maybe a social worker, etc. Who do you recommend?
If he was only threatening to kill himself, yes, call a social worker, psychologist, anyone with some training in dealing with a mentally disturbed person. As in this case calling the police will almost guarantee someone will get hurt. They have no training for these situations, and it seems the only solution they have for something they don't understand is try to kill it.
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:02 pm to BIGJLAW
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OK so since you have the answers, who do you suggest calling once a mentally unstable person has a gun is threatening harm to themselves
Not call the cops. Not a damn thing they can do someone else can't.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:17 pm to EA6B
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he was only threatening to kill himself, yes, call a social worker, psychologist
Sounds great.
Where are you gonna find these people willing to deal with armed suicidal people?
The reason police do it is because social workers and psychologists won't go into those situations.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:38 pm to EA6B
Can we make it mandatory that social workers and psychologists respond to these calls or take away their licenses?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:45 pm to jbgleason
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What’s lacking is your interpretation of how this should go.
I was relaying information, not judging. Clearly, I don't think he should've been shot if he wasn't a direct threat to the deputies. I don't know that, though. Thus, my comment that there is a lack of information.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:52 pm to High C
More to the story. He threatened to kill his wife and then himself as well from what I heard.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:52 pm to High C
The problem is it only takes a split second to go from gun to subject head to shooting at officer.
You set up a perimeter to protect yourself and others of tjey are alone but if the person crosses that perimeter and puts the officer or other people at risk it forces the officers hand.
You set up a perimeter to protect yourself and others of tjey are alone but if the person crosses that perimeter and puts the officer or other people at risk it forces the officers hand.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 3:59 pm to theenemy
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Sounds great. Where are you gonna find these people willing to deal with armed suicidal people? The reason police do it is because social workers and psychologists won't go into those situations.
Mental health training exists for law enforcement to form Crisis Intervention teams with mental health professionals, the problem is the lack of support from law enforcement.
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CIT programs provide officers with 40 hours of intensive training, including:
Learning from mental health professionals and experienced officers in your community. One of the reasons CIT is successful is that it connects officers with a team of clinicians and fellow officers who can advise, problem-solve and support them when a challenging situation occurs.
Personal interaction with people who have experienced and recovered from mental health crisis and with family members who have cared for loved ones with mental illness. NAMI members present at the training, providing officers a first-hand opportunity to hear stories of recovery, ask questions and learn what helps (and harms) when a person is in a crisis.
Verbal de-escalation skills. CIT teaches a new set of skills for ensuring officer safety – the words, approach and body language that convince a person to get help, or defuse a potentially violent encounter.
Scenario-based training on responding to crises. With the help of volunteers or actors, officers practice their skills in common crisis situations, and get immediate feedback from instructors and classmates.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:01 pm to theenemy
I understand that and agree.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:03 pm to The Fall of Romo
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More to the story. He threatened to kill his wife and then himself as well from what I heard.
Ah, very helpful, if true.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:05 pm to EA6B
I am aware of the training.
But that still utilizes calling the police.
I was addressing not wanting police to respond but only sending mental health practitioners.
But that still utilizes calling the police.
I was addressing not wanting police to respond but only sending mental health practitioners.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:10 pm to EA6B
Again you can set up a perimeter and try to talk to them.....but once they advance past that perimeter you have to protect yourself and others.
And you do not approach someone with a gun in their hand.
And you do not approach someone with a gun in their hand.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 4:40 pm to theenemy
If the subject is inside their residence and not a danger to others i agree it should be a non-police issue. But i want you to name one medical or psychological service that will respond to a potentially armed subject by themselves.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 5:14 pm to High C
This would fall under the Serve part of "to protect and serve"? Suicidal suspect receives service of assistance in his suicide attempt.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:51 pm to High C
He should have put on a dog suit and barked at them. Then his plan would have worked.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 6:56 pm to High C
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call about a suicidal suspect, then shoot suspect
Sounds like mission accomplished.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:09 pm to High C
Then shoot suspect?lol
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:29 pm to Dienekes
You will need the psycologist just to talk to the social worker into confronting the armed subject.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 7:31 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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He should have put on a dog suit and barked at them. Then his plan would have worked.
Hate to laugh but that was pretty funny
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