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re: Study: Why Women Seem to Always Go For Jerks
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:00 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:00 pm to LouisianaLady
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Exactly what I'm thinking. Any dude that whines and cries about women "only liking assholes!" is likely a needy bitch who interprets being your own person and having confidence as "being an a-hole".
Couldn't have said it better myself
"Assholes" succeed with women because they are direct with their intentions. They are upfront and have outcome independence - if the woman shoots them down, they give no fricks and just move onto the next one. However they are more likely to succeed because they are upfront and direct, which shows confidence.
"Nice guys" fail because they have no outcome independence. They are so afraid of rejection that they are not direct with their intentions and try to play the long game. They think the way to go is to first 'be friends' with the woman and play it slow and get to know her, kind of like a boyfriend tryout, and then eventually try to ask her out on a very casual date after enough time has passed. The problem here is that women aren't retarded, they know if a guy is into her or not. So she knows this guy is into her and won't make a move, and therefore views him as a pussy coward afraid to act.
It's not so much of being an a-hole that is attractive to women, its simply the act of being direct with your intentions.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:00 pm to dcrews
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I promise you the 300 pound, back sweat, neck beard, fedora wearing, dungeons and dragons dude can be as confident as anyone in the history of ever, and it won't make a lick of difference to the OT 7 sitting at the bar.
In general, dating advice is given with the understanding that you're at least average. The outliers are the extremely attractive people and the extremely unattractive people. Conversations like this thread mean nothing to either of those groups because one is going to do fine no matter what, while the other is almost definitely going to be alone forever no matter what.
But for the average dude, confidence absolutely makes a difference in their ability to get women.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:01 pm to Pecker
Wiki used to say this and break it down
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:02 pm to dcrews
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The most overplayed strategy to get women. I promise you the 300 pound, back sweat, neck beard, fedora wearing, dungeons and dragons dude can be as confident as anyone in the history of ever, and it won't make a lick of difference to the OT 7 sitting at the bar.
You aren't wrong but this is an extreme example. Of course there has to be some physical attraction.
However I have seen plenty of guys with natural SMV strike out because they were pussies. Guys who could easily slay by the gross if they weren't such manginas and had more confidence and outcome independence and game.
Just look at me. I played football at TCU when we were really good. I got invited to sorority mixers and parties and such all the time by women. Yet I had zero success with those women because I was such a beta pussy coward nice guy **** who would turn them off pretty quickly.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:05 pm to goldennugget
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I played football at TCU when we were really good.
We've seen your pics. I've played as much football at TCU as you did.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:08 pm to Pecker
Idk if I'm a jerk now or not. But after putting a lot of effort into past relationships, I have no more energy to chase a woman or try to make her feel extra special. I have figured out the more you try to treat a woman with respect, the less interested she is. The girls I cared so much for are the ones who walked away. The girls I could care less whether they stayed or not, you can't get rid of. Now, I don't care who stays or not.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:08 pm to LouisianaLady
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Exactly what I'm thinking. Any dude that whines and cries about women "only liking assholes!" is likely a needy bitch who interprets being your own person and having confidence as "being an a-hole".
This is absolutely true.
Then you have the guys who have no confidence but fake it by being a a-hole. They pair up nicely with the women who can't see through it and go for the assholes like this. Both of these type of ppl are always with different people every time you see them and never have a long relationship. He is a a-hole and that is all and eventually it shows so women end up leaving him. Then she is perpetually looking for a good confident guy but always finds out the guy has no confidence but is just a a-hole.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:08 pm to goldennugget
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It's why being a mushy softie guy is such a turn off for women. They are attracted to guys who show strength and confidence. You can portray that by not giving a frick. Giving too much of a frick comes off as weakness
Look, the key is presence, you either have it or not.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:08 pm to LouisianaLady
Or they can put on a uniform and steal some poor soldier's valor in a military town, of course this runs the risk of catching a dependapotamus. Or the average guy in the same city can be Jody.
I had to put these examples in due to the stories I've heard while I was in the Army plus doing random assigned tasks not related to my main job.
I had to put these examples in due to the stories I've heard while I was in the Army plus doing random assigned tasks not related to my main job.
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:08 pm to goldennugget
Nugget I agree with you 100%. I had to let a chick know literally this morning that she was asking to see me to damn much and I like me time. She was a tad shocked but yet turned on.
Still making her arse wait.
Still making her arse wait.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:09 pm to LNCHBOX
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We've seen your pics. I've played as much football at TCU as you did.
I know I wasn't any good, I only played in mop up time, but I didn't give a shite and neither did the women. They didn't really pay attention to how much playing time you got, all they cared about was if you were on the team or not. A lot more than what most guys could say.
That's what I would always tell the jealous frat guys. They would point out I never played, etc. but I was like, if it was so easy, why didn't you tryout for the team. I put in the same amount of work in the offseason and practice and film room just like the star players had to.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:10 pm to goldennugget
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Just look at me. I played football at TCU when we were really good. I got invited to sorority mixers and parties and such all the time by women. Yet I had zero success with those women because I was such a beta pussy coward nice guy **** who would turn them off pretty quickly.
Probably has more to do with your aspergers than that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Look, the key is presence, you either have it or not.
Also known as "frame"
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:11 pm to jvilletiger25
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Idk if I'm a jerk now or not. But after putting a lot of effort into past relationships, I have no more energy to chase a woman or try to make her feel extra special. I have figured out the more you try to treat a woman with respect, the less interested she is. The girls I cared so much for are the ones who walked away. The girls I could care less whether they stayed or not, you can't get rid of. Now, I don't care who stays or not.
Your switch finally flipped. It took me having a failed-engagement to start not giving a frick.
I literally have a short attention span. Especially if me and the woman I am talking too frick. It's like afterwards shes been conquered and onto the next.
I probably need a therapist for that
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:11 pm to jvilletiger25
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I have figured out the more you try to treat a woman with respect, the less interested she is.
It's a tough balance. What you want is a girl with enough self-confidence and respect for herself that she doesn't need her arse to be kissed. You also want a chick that has legitimate respect for you. It's hard to find that.
You don't want to be with someone who you have to treat like shite in order for her to respect you. There are a lot of chicks like that and it makes for a terrible relationship.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:13 pm to Pecker
I can actually fully agree with you on that.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:14 pm to goldennugget
The frick is a frame?
Other than supporting or holding something up
Other than supporting or holding something up
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:15 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Probably has more to do with your aspergers than that.
Not really.
Let me tell you an embarrasing story.
In 2009 when I was a junior there was this hot freshman who was really into me. Like, smothering me with attention constantly. I was such a pussy that I tried to play it slow. I never escalated, even though I was into her and I knew she was into me.
In December she invited me as her date to her sorority's Christmas Formal. This was really my chance to escalate but instead I was a pussy and was too afraid to make a move out of fear of being rejected. Anyway I figured this formal was basically her last attempt at giving me a chance and I failed miserably. The bus ride home was spent me sitting by myself and her making out with another dude a couple rows behind me.
I have so many stories like that from my college days and some of my post college days. I tried being the nice guy and it doesn't work.
Posted on 7/5/17 at 1:15 pm to Pecker
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It's a tough balance. What you want is a girl with enough self-confidence and respect for herself that she doesn't need her arse to be kissed. You also want a chick that has legitimate respect for you. It's hard to find that.
You don't want to be with someone who you have to treat like shite in order for her to respect you. There are a lot of chicks like that and it makes for a terrible relationship.
absolute truth. Like you said it is a tough balance. Not only that but its a different balance with each chick.
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