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re: Students shoot up a mosque in San Diego.
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:37 pm to jimmy the leg
Posted on 5/20/26 at 9:37 pm to jimmy the leg
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What is your issue with it?
It doesn’t depict a political spectrum well, not as presented.
I mean, just looking at your example used, the next logical step taking Fascism or communism farther would be anarchy, which is just a laughably silly progression. Anarchy is on the exact opposite end of a spectrum of those two.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:07 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Anarchy is on the exact opposite end of a spectrum of those two.
When an authoritarian system fails, anarchy tends to supplant it (at least momentarily).
To your point though, I would probably swap Republican GOPe and MAGA.
I see Trump as being a populist with conservative leanings.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 5/20/26 at 10:18 pm to jimmy the leg
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When an authoritarian system fails, anarchy tends to supplant it (at least momentarily).
Yes but that is not how a political spectrum works and that actually speaks to my exact point. Usually when a system fails, it is supplanted with ideological opposite.
Either way, the ideological extreme of both the right and the left is not authoritarian. If we want to conflate political parties with actual ideology as a way to set the scales of a spectrum, we are starting from an incorrect place to begin with.
This post was edited on 5/20/26 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 5/20/26 at 11:30 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Whatever. We just want to know if these are troons.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 8:15 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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the ideological extreme of both the right and the left is not authoritarian.
I disagree.
Far left = authoritarian, far right = no government (anarchy).
Left:
Centrist
Mod Dem
Prog Dem
Dem Socialist/Neo-Marxist
Socialist
Authoritarian (which could manifest itself in a number of ways…including fascism and communism).
Right:
Centrist
MAGA
GOPe
Tea Party (defunct)
Libertarians
Balkanizers (splinter groups which manifests itself in a number of ways…including Neo-Nazis, white/black supremacist groups).
Anarchy
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:25 am to jimmy the leg
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I disagree.
Actually, you agreed
The clock face analogy makes going to a logical extreme from both the right and the left end at the same point, that is why it is a bad way to portray a political spectrum. Only one side of the political spectrum leads to authritarianism and the other side leads to pure anarchy. So, any spectrum analogy trying to portray this should not have communism/fascism at the closest point of the left to the logical extreme of the ideological right.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:37 am to kjp811
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Trans-Nazi-White Supremacist with a Hispanic accomplice...
The head of the proud boys is Hispanic so anything can happen lol
Posted on 5/21/26 at 9:49 am to FliesByNight
The jokes pretty much write themselves these days 
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:37 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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If you really dig into the philosophical backgrounds of communism and fascism, their end games are more alike than not. The WWII rivalry between them was driven more by racism and the false religions of the two than it was by socio-economic policy.
I mean, they are very similar philosophies for a reason that is clearly going past you, but their differences are not rooted in racism or the religions of the two. Though, seeing this is your interpretation, it makes your other analogy make a lot more sense in its absurdity.
Found the guy who's ignorant of history. Let me fix that for you.
The Nazi's considered all Slavic peoples to be "untermensch" - sub human. This was part of the entire "Aryan Race" religion that they built their philosophy around. At the infamous Munich torch rally pre-war, Hitler called upon the German people to "discard their facade of Christianity and return to their roots". This is why the SS used so much pagan symbology. Their false religion was absolutely core to Nazi beliefs, but not at all to Fascism. That, along with "liebensraum", was used as the justification for Barbarossa. That's the German side.
As for the Communists, the party is literally their religion. IDK why you need that explained to you, but whatever. Anything opposing that religion is an enemy of the state. Hence the whole Nazi-Aryan Race-Occult thing was a threat to them.
The founding philosopher of fascism was an Italian by the name of Giovanni Gentile, who himself had roots in Marxism. Because the state represents the absolute will of the people, Gentile argued that the Fascist state was the truest form of democracy. This justified totalitarian control over all aspects of public and private life, effectively eradicating the distinction between individual interests and the interests of the nation. This is exactly what communism purports to do. The sole difference is that in Fascism, private ownership of the means of production is allowed on paper, whereas in communism it is not. I leave the research on Marx, Lenin and Stalinist policies to that effect to you as a homework assignment.
You are welcome for the enlightenment. Now, be what you claim to be Auburn man and edit or delete your post.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/21/26 at 10:44 am to jimmy the leg
quote:
quote:
the ideological extreme of both the right and the left is not authoritarian.
I disagree.
Far left = authoritarian, far right = no government (anarchy).
Left:
Centrist
Mod Dem
Prog Dem
Dem Socialist/Neo-Marxist
Socialist
Authoritarian (which could manifest itself in a number of ways…including fascism and communism).
Right:
Centrist
MAGA
GOPe
Tea Party (defunct)
Libertarians
Balkanizers (splinter groups which manifests itself in a number of ways…including Neo-Nazis, white/black supremacist groups).
Anarchy
The end state of Anarchy is always authoritarianism, in whatever form it takes, but otherwise, I agree with what you said.
Posted on 5/21/26 at 2:10 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
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Found the guy who's ignorant of history. Let me fix that for you.
Nah, that would be you, since you are conflating the Nazis with all of fascism, or the philosophical background of fascism as you put it. Your claim was the the main rivalry between Communism and Fascism in WWII was driven by racism. Historically not true. The Italian Fascism of WWII was staunchly opposed to the Nazi use of racism, too. Fascist and Communist ideologies were opposed before the Nazi's ever adopted it.
Fascism and Communism have key points where the ideologies diverge, but racism isn't one of them in the doctrine of the ideology. The Nazis absolutely used it as a way to implement their ideology, but that went against the traditional Fascist doctrine (or maybe more accurate to say it warped the understanding of cultural nationalism). However, if you are going to use that as your determining factor, the communist regimes of the time did as well. They may have preached to be against it as only classes mattered, but had no problem implementing state sponsored policies of their own, using ethnic cleansing, deportation, executions, and antti-semitic policies to help implement and secure their totalitarian regime. Communist doctrine may reject the concept of bioloical racism, but in practice they still used it.
Now, if you want to make the argument that Ideological Communism vs Nazi's was largely driven by racism and the false religion, that is a much more valid argument but still not the "key" rivalry between the two in practice. While the Nazi's built much of their framework around the structure of Fascism, it deviated greatly from it.
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You are welcome for the enlightenment. Now, be what you claim to be Auburn man and edit or delete your post.
This post was edited on 5/21/26 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 5/21/26 at 4:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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So, any spectrum analogy trying to portray this should not have communism/fascism at the closest point of the left to the logical extreme of the ideological right.
When authoritarianism is overthrown, it typically leads to anarchy (albeit…temporarily). It may even revert back to authoritarianism (dictatorship).
Anarchy could also lead to Balkanization. From there, do the balkanized groups coalesce? Or are the divisions too much to overcome. Some may agree to combine, some not. From there it could revert to civil conflict (war?), or…they could move towards more democratic processes.
Obviously, things are fluid.
However, stating that you can go from one extreme to another is most certainly plausible (and I would argue most likely).
Posted on 5/22/26 at 11:25 am to jimmy the leg
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When authoritarianism is overthrown, it typically leads to anarchy (albeit…temporarily)
I understand that and again, i'm not arguing that this doesn't happen. I'm arguing that when you are designing a political spectrum, your scale is structured to show what the next phase past one ideology to the next ideological step along that same philosphy would be, if you want to take that ideology further, not what happens when an ideology fails and is revolted against.
What you are describing is a reactionary move away from one ideology when it fails. What you are talking about here is actualy the pendulum of political alignments that happen over time. When a political ideology fails or goes too far in one direction for the general public, the pull is to generally go as far in the other direction as one went in the original direction. That doesn't mean the next step beyond authoritariansim is anarchy, what you are referencing is actually the rejection of authritarianism is anarchy, which for a political spectrum needs to be on the opposite end, not the next step along the ideology of authoritarianism. The more authoritarian the failed regime is, the more anarchy driven the revolt will be.
This post was edited on 5/22/26 at 11:27 am
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