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re: Stoneman Douglas school resource officer stayed outside as shooting unfolded
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:38 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:38 am to RLDSC FAN
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The teachers I know (mostly women) couldn't hurt a fly. But let's arm them and this will all be fixed
Funny, the teachers I know, both men and women, usuallly hunt and shoot guns. Hell one of my 3rd grade teacher friends has pictures of her firing semi automatic rifles all over her facebook.
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Posted on 2/23/18 at 9:50 am to CAD703X
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Unarmed coach laying across students absorbing countless bullets with his body as a shield vs armed trained resource officer hiding outside.
That's all I have to say.
They were in entirely different situations. That coach was in the shite and saw what was going on. SRO had no clue what was going on and was outside.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:24 am to Cosmo
Youre not half the man Paul Blart is.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:25 am to TheCaterpillar
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I am not defending him, but I am also not throwing blame before we know the whole story.
We know enough of the story to reach the appropriate conclusion.
He froze.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:29 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:he was standing right outside.
SRO had no clue what was going on and was outside.
Do you know why people wear ear protection at gun ranges?
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:36 am to prplhze2000
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Wrong. Dead wrong. These guys WORK FOR US!!!
As someone who is civil service and takes helping the public very serious, as do most, you are correct, we work for the public. If I get caught doing something illegal as a firefighter, especially a felony, then I deserve to be blasted in the news and social media. But a firefighter refusing to go in a fire b/c he froze up, should in no way be hung in front of the public to crucify, we would keep that in house. We would either train him more or get rid of him. The same should have been with that cop.
We would never publicly throw someone out in public to be crucified, he didn't do anything illegal. He didn't do his job, he resigned, he will no longer be working there again. Even the fricktard Sheriff who has made several comments about other things, I have a hard time taking his word seriously, stated the cop took position and went in after 4 minutes, the shooting lasted 6 according to him. I don't know, maybe the cop was guarding kids running out and assumed there was multiple gunmen. We don't know, we are just taking an idiot's word for it, a guy who is using this for his 15 minutes of fame, and throwing his employees under the bus left and right. Frick that dude.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:44 am to prplhze2000
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Y'all keep saying he's up against a guy with a rifle.
Other than very long hallways, I'd be a faster and a more accurate shot with a pistol indoors.
Would I be able to go into a building and start shooting at a perp? I would think so, especially with kids involved. If it was my job and thier means of help, I would 100 percent do my job. If the cop pussied out, he should be made to return every dollar he made at that school.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:46 am to Walking the Earth
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We know enough of the story to reach the appropriate conclusion.
He froze.
No, we don't.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:50 am to windshieldman
He was outside the building for 4 minutes and didn't go in.
Plus, the guy immediately resigned/retired.
Plus, the guy immediately resigned/retired.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:57 am to Walking the Earth
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He was outside the building for 4 minutes and didn't go in.
Plus, the guy immediately resigned/retired.
Ok, none of that means anything. If I had to guess, I would agree with you, but by no means does that mean we'd be right. If I was working for a Sheriff that was throwing everyone else under the bus to save his own arse I'd resign also. You really gonna go back to work after all that and what the public now thinks of you? Hell naw.
As far as 4 minutes, I don't know. Is that 4 minutes from the time the shooting started, 4 minutes from the time the cop was aware, how far back was cop from entrance? Maybe it took him a minute to get to it, was he thinking he was protecting kids running out? Did he think there was more than one gunman and staying out to keep another from coming in? Who the hell knows, maybe he was just a piece of shite, we will never know. But I damn sure don't trust anything coming out of that Sheriff's mouth.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 10:57 am to LSUcajun77
Thanks Lsu. It was too late for the old guy, Robert E Lee. Smoking in bed and couldn’t get out. And looking back it was stupid (I would do it again), saw his oxygen tank in the corner of the room after the fire died down ?? But i see both sides for this cop, the plan is to wait for backup, going in against an unknown number amid the chaos vs nutting up and running in to see if you can stop it right then. If his training kicked in, he probably did exactly what he was supposed to do. But sometimes you gotta go outside the box. People can armchair the mess out of situations like these, but you just don’t know what the outcome will be until it happens and all you can do is hope you made the right decision.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:00 am to CptBengal
Agreed. When the fire truck was 10-15 minutes away, it was a no-brainer. Young and dumb me did it, and older and dumb me would probably still do it. But I would think a little harder about it the next time!
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:07 am to windshieldman
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But a firefighter refusing to go in a fire b/c he froze up, should in no way be hung in front of the public to crucify, we would keep that in house. We would either train him more or get rid of him. The same should have been with that cop.
bullshite.
As a WFR, EMT, and PL.....no way. you freeze, and 17 PEOPLE DIED?
you're fricking gone.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:18 am to CptBengal
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BULL shite.
As a WFR, EMT, and PL.....no way. you freeze, and 17 PEOPLE DIED?
you're fricking gone
You didn’t read what I said apparently
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:19 am to windshieldman
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You didn’t read what I said apparently
you said you keep it in house..."more training"
nope.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:25 am to CptBengal
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you said you keep it in house..."more training"
nope.
Damn, you left out quite a few other words I said. If a firefighter does something illegal like rapes a damn homeowner, steals money, beats the hell out of a patient, yes, after an investigation, if true, you can throw them all up under the bus to the public. If a firefighter freezes up at a house fire, you aren't gonna go to the news and report him and say what happened, I don't care how many people died. That would be bullshite.
You would let him go, as I said. You would find out what happened, if he was simply scared, you let him go. Now in reality, for a professional fire dept, it isn't that easy once they are confirmed. You can't just fire them if they refused to do something b/c of "safety." Now, if it was something wrong with his gear, mask, etc, or he didn't understand the directions given, then you'd retrain him again.
ETA: As far as difficulty in firing over something like that, even the firefighters hate that. Overall it's irrelevant. Basically a firefighter cannot refuse an order from a supervisor unless he feels it puts his life in danger. So once confirmed, technically, he could refuse to go in to house fires and keep his job. He would never promote, and would be ostracized within the dept though. I've never seen anyone actually stay with a dept long like that. Also you can fire someone for whatever the hell you want within first year of hiring, so you are gonna know before that year is up whether they are scared or not anyways.
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/23/18 at 11:31 am to CAD703X
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SRO had no clue what was going on and was outside.
he was standing right outside.
Do you know why people wear ear protection at gun ranges?
We don't even know he was outside the right building.
I am NOT defending the guy. I am just not blaming him without all the facts either.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 12:00 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We don't even know he was outside the right building.
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“What I saw was a deputy arrive … take up a position and he never went in,” the sheriff said at a news conference. “There are no words. I mean these families lost their children. We lost coaches,” Israel said.
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Sheriff Scott Israel said Deputy Scot Peterson should have “went in. Addressed the killer. Killed the killer.”
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Stoneman Douglas student Brandon Huff, 18, a senior, said he had seen Peterson standing outside the building and talking on his radio during the shooting.
FL newspaper
This post was edited on 2/23/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 2/23/18 at 12:03 pm to CaptSpaulding
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If witness statements, video footage and the cop's own statement isn't enough for you to understand how this conclusion was reached, then you are one dumb motherfricker.
A video no one has seen, the only thing anyone knows about what the cop said in his statement was that he resigned, witnesses are often confused and unreliable, so that leaves us with the statement of the sheriff who is proving to be bigger idiot with each passing day.
Posted on 2/23/18 at 12:06 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We don't even know he was outside the right building
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Israel said in a press conference that he wanted to “clarify any rumors, conjecture or stories that may have been out there.” The sheriff continued by saying that Peterson was armed, in uniform and “absolutely on campus” at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on February 14. Israel said that he came to the decision to suspend and investigate Peterson’s actions based on video footage, Peterson’s statement and witness accounts. The New York Times reported the day before Peterson’s resignation that Coral Springs Police Officer Tim Burton had seen Peterson in the school’s parking lot “seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell.”
I'm pretty sure he was. He was just too much of a chicken shite pussy to help those kids.
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Peterson also had a run-in with Cruz prior to the shooting, The Washington Post reports. He is mentioned in a 2016 social services agency investigation into Cruz. The Florida Department of Children and Families report states that Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information,” with them, “regarding an incident that took place” with Cruz, according to The Post.
Peterson is pure trash and is partly responsible for this mess.
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The sheriff’s office revealed that in 2016 it received “third hand information” from the son of Cruz’s neighbor that Cruz “planned to shoot up the school.” A deputy contacted the caller, found he had knives and a BB gun and sent the information to the school resource officer, who is not identified in the records but appears to be Peterson. It is not clear if he investigated further.
Peterson had multiple times that he could have prevented Cruz from shooting up that school. Sadly, he was a failure just like the FBI.
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