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re: Stolen Land Acknowledgment On My Kid's Syllabus

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Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:12 pm to
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To be fair, every syllabus for all classes is required to have a university policies section with disabilities act info, nondiscrimination statement, academic integrity warnings, etc..



That's just stupid. Put that crap in a packet with the student's acceptance letter, not with EACH class.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:15 pm to
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I majored in Poli Sci and the conservative professors were well represented.



How long ago? I had several conservative professors in my political science program back n the early 2000s. They're all gone. The entire department is 100% progressive liberal now. Same with the Philosophy department.
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:18 pm to
People are so naive to history and the world.
Posted by AlonsoWDC
Memphis, where it ain't Ten-a-Key
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:28 pm to
I graduated 2016.
Posted by rocksteady
Member since Sep 2013
2323 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:32 pm to
I always enjoyed overzealous teachers. I can play along and tell you want you want to hear in order to get what I want.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:32 pm to
Many of you need to read some long, boring technical books on migration, and life in the Pre-Columbian Americas. I posted a small bibliography years ago that I'm sure no one read, but there is a large amount of nonsense in this thread.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:35 pm to
Then your school is a rather large outlier.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:37 pm to
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but there is a large amount of nonsense in this thread.



Yes, primarily around the idea that the Americas were "stolen" by Europeans, completely ignoring the past 100,000 years of human existence.

Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:41 pm to
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Then your school is a rather large outlier.

I went to LSU in the 90s and it wasn't particularly left leaning at all that I can remember. It's super woke now.
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:43 pm to
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How long ago? I had several conservative professors in my political science program back n the early 2000s. They're all gone. The entire department is 100% progressive liberal now. Same with the Philosophy department.


Economics Dept. used to have some conservatives at USM. The chair was a USNR officer (a Captain or Commander, I think). The newest hire was an Auburn grad out of the Von Mises Institute, a Libertarian group that's caught a lot of flack from the SPLC.

What happened? About 5-10 years ago they just disbanded the whole department. One professor with an Ivy League doctorate who called himself a "Utopian Socialist" got to stick around as Professor Emeritus. The guy from Auburn has bounced around since, doing stuff like editing books and teaching for the University of Phoenix.

Pretty powerful indicator of who "academic freedom" actually applies to.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:44 pm to
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, but there is a large amount of nonsense in this thread.

What specifically?
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
7064 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:44 pm to
What about the fact that some of the highest remaining Denisovan DNA left in the world exists in Papua New Guinea and Australian aborigines? When the Denisovan cave was discovered in Siberia ? And the fact that other discoveries show the Denisovans were ahead of their time so to speak? Humans have migrated for thousands of years and killed for resources. This narrative that whitey is the only one is purely ridiculous.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:50 pm to
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Yes, primarily around the idea that the Americas were "stolen" by Europeans, completely ignoring the past 100,000 years of human existence.


It’s far more complicated than that. The origin of the “stolen land” argument stems from a very particular context, and I’m amazed that people are so incurious about the origin of that argument. If people are going to essentialize “100,000” years of human existence, with no reference to actual details, that by itself opens the discussion to its inverse. It is amazing people can’t seem to grasp that, and instead insist on a massive mythic narrative that isn’t representative of the actual facts on the ground. The massive generalization is a method of deflection, ensuring there is no actual relevant discussion about what the facts are. There is even no acknowledgement of how colonialism and imperialism in the Americas was functionally different from previous conquests, or why colonialism was a massive point of departure along multiple fronts. There is no argument for simplicity from the historical details, and people who insist on it, on both sides, aren’t to be taken seriously.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44116 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:58 pm to
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The origin of the “stolen land” argument stems from a very particular context,


And that is completely irrelevant to argument espoused by critical race theory followers and other similar ideology, who use it as a moral high ground for delegitimizing the foundation of this country and western society as a whole.

Posted by LSUMJ
BR
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:03 pm to
I always find it amazing the indigenous people never strayed from their own tribal borders. Never fought each other and took territory

So odd
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:08 pm to
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Humans have migrated for thousands of years and killed for resources.


Early human migration was nodal, which means that it is more likely that instead of killing for resources, early humans were just as likely to leave an area in search of other resources rather than spend time engaged in warfare to the degree they could wipe out rival populations. The DNA microarray evidence, the mtDNA evidence, and the Y-DNA evidence doesn’t support the notion of warfare that resembles something to what warfare became after the Neolithic Revolution. This isn’t to say that violence didn’t exist between groups, or intra-groups, but rather that these early groups had a wide range of options available to them, and the nodal pattern of evidence suggests that when resources in one area became strained, a small part of that node would leave to a new area. That pattern is pretty consistent, if I remember.

In terms of other human species, I don’t think a robust Denisovan fossil has been found to make a full anatomical comparison, but one of my personal theories is that other human species might have had estrus periods like other near primates in comparison to Homo sapiens, which would give Homo sapiens a population advantage, as the evidence suggests that multiple human species cohabitated, which is how there is residual DNA evidence.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted by TruBrew
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2019
2261 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:09 pm to
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land that European colonizers stole from Indigenous people through violence


So they didn't steal it?...teach.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:11 pm to
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As we move through this course, I challenge you to remember our individual and collective responsibility to this history and honor those who came before us. I encourage you to call attention to and interrupt exploitation, supremacy, and injustice, as well as extend respect, compassion, and grace to those whose ancestors experienced such violence."


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:11 pm to
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And that is completely irrelevant to argument espoused by critical race theory followers and other similar ideology, who use it as a moral high ground for delegitimizing the foundation of this country and western society as a whole.


And you see how a consistent reference to context and details could complicate these arguments, right? The choice here is between two extremely stupid extremes, and my argument is that the boring details which both sides ignore is a far better solution than to continue this insanely stupid situation.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11516 posts
Posted on 1/1/21 at 2:23 pm to
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Basically let’s go back to any empire...say roman...modern academic...Hey Caesar...you’re ruining indigenous lives and culture with your toxic imperialism...Caesar....oh really....academic “yessir...I demand you stop”. Caesar..”feed this person to the lions “


Lol. I don’t agree with dragging out these old skeletons, because the damage is done and irreversible, but only a jackass would deny that America was taken from the natives by force and disease.

It is certainly fair and within reason to discuss the past and critique it.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 2:25 pm
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