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re: State to fund panic-button app for Louisiana school teachers

Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:49 pm to
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:49 pm to
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having to feel trained and prepared for school shootings and the fear that any day could be their last and it’s best to be well trained and on guard. Especially for something that for 99.999% of kids they’ll never see.


Do they still do tornado and fire drills in school these days? If they do, you must also feel doing that is dumb as well.

It seems you are making a massive deal out of nothing.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted by forever lsu30
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:50 pm to
IF the state were really smart, they'd set this app up to have access to texts & social media communication apps on a teacher's phone thus allowing them to catch these teachers with their students...
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:55 pm to
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Yes, kids being murdered while trying to learn has been blown out of proportion. One time is too many.



The kids were murdered and it’s a terrible thing but creating this psyche of fear in everyone is blowing it out of proportion, yes. You’re right, one time is too many, but that doesn’t mean we live in fear and turn our schools into fortresses and teach our kids to always be on guard because things are different "these days" and today could be your last.

We are going to have a generation of paranoid, fearful people because horrible but very rare events caused us to teach our kids to be constantly afraid. And instead of books or paper or decent food in the cafeteria or recesses and PE classes or anything we waste our money on security measures to pretend to feel safe.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:57 pm to
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And instead of books or paper or decent food in the cafeteria or recesses and PE classes or anything we waste our money on security measures to pretend to feel safe.


Now, when you come at it from this angle, you make a much better argument.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:58 pm to
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Yes, two. Both of which are in public school and I’d much rather they enjoy school worrying about math and English and friends and all the other stuff that should worry about and not about having to feel trained and prepared for school shootings and the fear that any day could be their last and it’s best to be well trained and on guard. Especially for something that for 99.999% of kids they’ll never see.


You're raising some weak children if an annual drill and this app are interfering with the ability to enjoy high school. Jesus.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 8/29/19 at 10:58 pm to
You’re a fricking idiot. How the hell can you spin something that makes campuses safer into a negative?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31593 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:02 pm to
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Do they still do tornado and fire drills in school these days? If they do, you must also feel doing that is dumb as well. It seems you are making a massive deal out of nothing.



They do still have them in elementary schools I think.

I’m not making a deal about this app per se and I might not have clarified, I don’t care about this app other than it being a huge waste of money. I guess I am making a big deal about the mentality that we have to all be constantly afraid of school shootings and develop all this expensive tech to pretend to feel safe and instill in our kids minds that they need to be constantly afraid. That’s worth making a big deal about imo. It’s insane hearing kids talk about how they are afraid to go to school each day because they might not come home, that is a direct result of a sensationalized media and over,y paranoid parents and school admins.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31593 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:02 pm to
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You’re a fricking idiot. How the hell can you spin something that makes campuses safer into a negative?


It doesn’t make anyone safer and it only reinforces the idea that we need to constantly be in fear.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:07 pm to
It’s not a fricking waste of money you tool. If this somehow saves 1 kids life than it’s worth it.

Acting like fricking campus/public shootings aren’t a problem and nothing needs to change is asinine and part of why shite keeps happening. Yes gun bans are retarded but that doesn’t mean we don’t have a fricking issue in this country that needs to be fixed.

shite like this is why politics in this country is useless these days because nobody actually wants to fix anything they just want to be “right”.

Nice melt I know but it makes me so fricking mad.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:08 pm to
How does something alerting law enforcement quickly and efficiently not make anyone safer? Are you serious?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31593 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:15 pm to
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How does something alerting law enforcement quickly and efficiently not make anyone safer? Are you serious?



See my previous post

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You’ll have to find that app you never ever ever use on your phone somewhere, open it up, figure out how to use it, etc. Or you can dial 911. In an active shooter situation where you are panicking and probably not thinking straight which do you think you’ll do?


Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:19 pm to
Let me clarify my position some more (or explain where I’m coming from rather)

I teach at a high school in Wichita Kansas. Am I worried 24/7 about someone shooting the school? No. Is it something I even think about frequently? No. It does cross my mind from time to time though and when it does all I think about is having these kids I’m pouring into and trying to help guide into a good future having that taken away from them for no reason. When you have to play a “how to handle an active shooter” video in front of a class of 20 that you’ve been with for 2 years now and grown relationships with and wonder how you’d be able to protect them if something like that were to happen it really changes your prospective on things.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:21 pm to
They’re training not to make calls now because of unnecessary noise alerting a shooter to people. Being able to go in and press a button is safer than screaming at 911 and making noise when everyone is supposed to be dead silent.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31593 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:22 pm to
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It’s not a fricking waste of money you tool. If this somehow saves 1 kids life than it’s worth it. Acting like fricking campus/public shootings aren’t a problem and nothing needs to change is asinine and part of why shite keeps happening. Yes gun bans are retarded but that doesn’t mean we don’t have a fricking issue in this country that needs to be fixed. shite like this is why politics in this country is useless these days because nobody actually wants to fix anything they just want to be “right”. Nice melt I know but it makes me so fricking mad.



It won’t save a single kids life. This app is merely a feel good thing for administrators to say look see we did something.

LINK

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Four times the number of children were killed in schools in the early 1990s than today, Fox said.

“There is not an epidemic of school shootings,” he said, adding that more kids are killed each year from pool drownings or bicycle accidents. There are around 55 million school children in the United States, and on average over the past 25 years, about 10 students per year were killed by gunfire at school, according to Fox and Fridel’s research.



Our kids are safe, let’s stop trying to convince them that they aren’t.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
23086 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:23 pm to
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It skips the dispatcher, basically.


Does it? This suggests that it still contacts a dispatcher.

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When a teacher, administrator or staff member activates the button, it simultaneously places a 911 call to dispatch help while delivering immediate notification of the type and location of the emergency to other school employees and first responders.


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Also depending on the situation, you may not be able to call but you can still use your app.


Can you provide and example when this would happen?
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:24 pm to
The fact that there’s any shootings at all proves there’s a usefulness for something like this. I don’t care that there’s less now the shits still happening
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:24 pm to
See my above post
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
23086 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:27 pm to
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They’re training not to make calls now because of unnecessary noise alerting a shooter to people. Being able to go in and press a button is safer than screaming at 911 and making noise when everyone is supposed to be dead silent.


First thing, why would you scream at 911? Why not speak in a normal voice or even whisper? It sounds like you’re exaggerating to try to make a point.

Second, the app automatically places a 911 call, so a 911 call is still made even with the app.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
39311 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:29 pm to
What woman do you know whispers when they’re freaking out?
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31593 posts
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:30 pm to
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The fact that there’s any shootings at all proves there’s a usefulness for something like this. I don’t care that there’s less now the shits still happening



I think how prevelant something is matters a lot.


LINK

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The number of Americans who fear for their child’s safety in school has nearly tripled over the past five years, according to a new survey.

“One in three parents fears for their child’s safety, and I think that’s an important finding to keep in mind — that’s a heck of a lot,” Gary Langer, president of Langer Research Associates, which conducted the poll, said during a call with reporters. “Not only that, but there are groups, demographic groups, in which it goes considerably higher. Look at the income breaks.”
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However, federal education data show that schools are historically safer than ever, with fewer reports of violent crimes and homicides. Between 1992 and 2016, crimes at school ranging from theft to serious violent victimization declined across demographic groups.

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But researchers have also found that school shootings are not on the rise and are rare. A Politico report pointed out that since the 1980s, it’s the number of victims, not the number of shootings, that has increased. But that could be generating more media coverage and causing a false perception of the frequency of school shootings.
This post was edited on 8/29/19 at 11:33 pm
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