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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:36 pm to StrongSafety
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:36 pm to StrongSafety
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Is it the officer or that they think blacks stealing is worth their life?
It is worth arresting ANY COLOR person for stealing. It is worth taking the life of said person when the officer feels like his life is in danger. At this time we have no proof that your case or mine is the correct one.
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Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:37 pm to Topwater Trout
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Seems like to me they are supporting the officer in reaction to all the protest against him. Why is he the villain if the facts haven't even come out?
Fair argument, and I agree.
But why was Michael Brown quickly turned into the villain?how can we turn an unarmed youth into a villain. Why isn't the other side using Browns youthful innocents to at least be understanding? Why was half of the video tape (the portion that would suggest he didn't pay for the rellos) released against DOJ orders?
We rushed to judgement because this country has a long extensive history of murdering young innocent and unarmed black men. That's an undeniable fact and an historical fact that can't be forgotten. People get angry because they here the stories from their grandparents..who lived when Emitt Till was murdered.
Did ferguson overreact?! Hell yes, and I'm sad that they looted and destroyed their own community. Very counter productive. But if they were to loot a police station, they would all get shot and killed
But as Americans, we can't forget the historical pain that they have ndured and the historical mishaps that trickle into our law enforcement, economics, healthcare, etc. it doesn't mean that we need to give people reparations or live entirely in the past. But we must be empathic.
There is no need for white guilt. But there is a need for empathy and understanding. And how we can help bring true equal justice and treatment under the law to all.
BP need to address their own problems too, as many of our ills can be fixed from within. But it really takes both sides.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:39 pm to StrongSafety
quote:you call 5 days later "quickly"
But why was Michael Brown quickly turned into the villain?
quote:LOLWUT???
Why isn't the other side using Browns youthful innocents to at least be understanding?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:39 pm to meauxjeaux2
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this question will go un answered
I answered.
People aren't specifically mad at Wilson---besides Browns parents and immediate family. Ferguson folks are mad at the system because facts and history have continually showed that we don't get equal protection under the law.
Can you deny that?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:40 pm to the808bass
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So after 200 pages of sniping, you agree with me. Well done.
So you think it is only 200 pages?? And this is the first time you have noticed I have agreed with you?? That isn't so well done sir!!
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:41 pm to StrongSafety
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they aren't on Michael browns side for other reasons
What are those reasons??
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:44 pm to Topwater Trout
You're asking why he's a villain if the facts haven't come out. I'm asking why he's a hero if the facts haven't come out. Surely, they aren't just indifferent to Mr Wilson or they wouldn't have raised 300,000 for him all while shouting "I am Darren Wilson!" It sounds to me like they aren't reacting and pleading for fairness but they have decided that he is an innocent victim in this. He's no victim. He either was simply doing his job or committed murder. Who knows? However, neither means he deserves 300,000.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:46 pm to StrongSafety
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People aren't specifically mad at Wilson---besides Browns parents and immediate family. Ferguson folks are mad at the system because facts and history have continually showed that we don't get equal protection under the law.
Um, okay. LINK
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:48 pm to StrongSafety
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But why was Michael Brown quickly turned into the villain?how can we turn an unarmed youth into a villain. Why isn't the other side using Browns youthful innocents to at least be understanding? Why was half of the video tape (the portion that would suggest he didn't pay for the rellos) released against DOJ orders? We rushed to judgement because this country has a long extensive history of murdering young innocent and unarmed black men. That's an undeniable fact and an historical fact that can't be forgotten. People get angry because they here the stories from their grandparents..who lived when Emitt Till was murdered. Did ferguson overreact?! Hell yes, and I'm sad that they looted and destroyed their own community. Very counter productive. But if they were to loot a police station, they would all get shot and killed But as Americans, we can't forget the historical pain that they have ndured and the historical mishaps that trickle into our law enforcement, economics, healthcare, etc. it doesn't mean that we need to give people reparations or live entirely in the past. But we must be empathic.
Holy grammatical cluster frick!
As far as the never forget sentiment based on an overplayed "undeniable" truth passed down in stories from peoples grandparents, please move on with your life.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:48 pm to StrongSafety
This is wrong on so many levels.
I only got this far.
1. the crowd turned the cop into the villain.
2. MB turned himself into a villain by stealing and pushing the shop owner around. His youthful innocense appears to have been totally gone in his treatment of shop owner.
3. wtf does the DOJ have to do with this and why can't we consider it even if they would like to keep it a secret?
I only got this far.
quote:
But why was Michael Brown quickly turned into the villain?
1. the crowd turned the cop into the villain.
2. MB turned himself into a villain by stealing and pushing the shop owner around. His youthful innocense appears to have been totally gone in his treatment of shop owner.
3. wtf does the DOJ have to do with this and why can't we consider it even if they would like to keep it a secret?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:49 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
how can we turn an unarmed youth into a villain.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:50 pm to StrongSafety
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Why isn't the other side using Browns youthful innocents
Seriously?
6'3" thug from what I have seen in the pics that day robbing a store, so I don't know what else you expect people to believe. quote:
We rushed to judgement because blacks have a long extensive history of murdering young innocent and unarmed black men but we don't care unless a white man kills them.
FIFY
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People aren't specifically mad at Wilson---Can you deny that?
They just call him a murderer and say over and over again he needs to spend the rest of his life in jail for doing something that may or may not have been justified.
This post was edited on 8/25/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:52 pm to Redbone
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Hypocrisy of counter point??
So it's not ok for one side to protest without all the facts but it is ok for the other side to do so without all the facts as long as we call it a "counter point"? Just trying to make sure I understand.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:52 pm to CrimsonFever
die thread die
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:52 pm to StrongSafety
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But if they were to loot a police station, they would all get shot and killed
So the only reason they didn't is for fear of bodily harm, and brag without the deterrent they will loot and rob places.
Great, you've just made an argument for the militarization of police.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 2:57 pm to LSUfanalways
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You're asking why he's a villain if the facts haven't come out. I'm asking why he's a hero if the facts haven't come out. Surely, they aren't just indifferent to Mr Wilson or they wouldn't have raised 300,000 for him all while shouting "I am Darren Wilson!" It sounds to me like they aren't reacting and pleading for fairness but they have decided that he is an innocent victim in this. He's no victim. He either was simply doing his job or committed murder. Who knows? However, neither means he deserves 300,000.
Dude, get over the 300000 bucks. Someone knew he was going to need a lawyer for a long time and set up a fund to help support it. At least it wasnt the lawyer himself like browns family lawyer did to pay himself. And you are crazy if you dont think people are saying "I am Darren Wilson" as a reaction to the "I am Michael Brown" chants we heard onTV for a week. And if he is going through all this for doing his job, good for him for having some support to help with it bc no one sould be put through this for doing their job. And if that's the case, it's at the hands of a bunch of people that were too quick to judge the man. If not then he will pay. You mad bro
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:00 pm to LSUfanalways
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but they have decided that he is an innocent victim in this. He's no victim. He either was simply doing his job or committed murder. Who knows? However, neither means he deserves 300,000
If he was simply doing his job did he deserve to suffer the emotional and financial losses he has incurred? Does he deserve to suffer the defamation of character? Does he deserve to fear for his life and the lives of his family not from criminal but from the very people he is serving?
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:08 pm to StrongSafety
quote:there was no rush to judgement by the other side. 5 days later isn't exactly "quick"
We rushed to judgement because this country has a long extensive history of murdering young innocent and unarmed black men.
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:27 pm to reedus23
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Just trying to make sure I understand.
You are getting warmer.
You guys in the St. Lou sure do hate cops. Are they really bad around there? Maybe bad like NOLA cops?
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Citing Corruption and Abuse, Feds Mandate Major Reform for New Orleans Police
LINK
Posted on 8/25/14 at 3:46 pm to Redbone
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You guys in the St. Lou sure do hate cops. Are they really bad around there? Maybe bad like NOLA cops?
There are good ones and they certainly outnumber the bad ones but there are more than a handful of bad ones. And no, no links. Just personal experiences none of which involved me getting beaten down by the cops.
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