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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.

Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:26 pm to
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:26 pm to
You guys don't get it. That night they got attacked by the police, the police warned them countless times to leave. They didn't. They could have avoided it but they wanted their "stand with me and yell at the man" moment.
Posted by street pizza
3 Highview Crescent, Coolaroo
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:28 pm to
Seriously, if all kinds of older black people got a fat moomoo and anything looking like a pistol and locked arms telling them hooligans to get the frick home...why can't this happen? Where are the good folk? You just need ten to start this...
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
30449 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:28 pm to
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In rare instances versus never.

People have a right to be idiots, they can protest, they can lie, they can repeat lies. They can fly Al and Jessie in on helicopters. That doesn't make them a threat just because they are standing in a group. If they are not a threat, they shouldn't be getting guns pointed at them.


I was only talking about powered optics on rifles. They are often used to look down range to monitor. Someone said that was never used in the Military. Not only is it used, its very common and SOP.

ROE change to the environment and the mission.

Now whether that clown on the APC needed to do it in Ferguson? Yea, I dont think so, the whole kitted out swat look always makes me chuckle as a veteran.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85757 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:30 pm to
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If you're in a group that is being violent


When the officers arrived that the photo I posted is from, the group was in no way violent. Any issues that took place happened over 4hrs later when nightfall came and the officers continued to push forward.

Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:31 pm to
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When the officers arrived that the photo I posted is from, the group was in no way violent. Any issues that took place happened over 4hrs later when nightfall came and the officers continued to push forward.



And given their history of rioting and looting they had to come out prepared to handle it as a precaution.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:32 pm to
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When the officers arrived that the photo I posted is from, the group was in no way violent. Any issues that took place happened over 4hrs later when nightfall came and the officers continued to push forward.

Yeah. The incident I mentioned happened well before the bottle throwing.
Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
15265 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:32 pm to
North County Politicians grandstanding. lol

Lacy Clay, who took 6 nights to finally get there, now talking all kinds of shite.


Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:33 pm to
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And given their history of rioting and looting they had to come out prepared to handle it as a precaution.

Pointing weapons doesn't handle anything. Nor is it preparedness.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85757 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:33 pm to
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And given their history of rioting and looting they had to come out prepared to handle it as a precaution.



That is not the point... You just said that it was OK for the cops to point their ARs at the crowd because they were in a group of violent people... That was not that case when the cops showed up and immediately started aiming weapons.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129670 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:33 pm to
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Lacy Clay, who took 6 nights to finally get there, now talking all kinds of shite.

Where would you rather be? North County STL or in your swank pad in DC? Amirite?
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
42053 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:34 pm to
This guy on CNN might be tearing the witness Dorian's attorney apart right now.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61651 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:35 pm to
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you're in a group that is being violent and you don't leave that group when they ask you to, then you are now grouped in with them and will be dealt with accordingly


accordingly, that is exactly what I am saying, getting a gun pointed at you should be according to you and your actions, period. IMO there are very few actions that should end up with crosshairs on you.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
42053 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:35 pm to
@angry_vet_
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Ferguson, MO shop owner's solution to looting.

Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:35 pm to
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Antonio French @AntonioFrench · 1m

Leaders from the community will be out to clear the streets by midnight. Anyone here after that WILL NOT have the support of the community.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85757 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:36 pm to
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This guy on CNN might be tearing the witness Dorian's attorney apart right now.




Gonna be funny when the autopsy doesn't show anything they want it to.

I'd be willing to bet the family did have an autopsy done and it didn't show what they wanted, which is the reason they are asking the DOJ to do one in hopes that they will find something to help them out.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:36 pm to
The line has been set by both LE and the community. Anyone out after midnight is fair game.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85757 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:37 pm to
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Ferguson, MO shop owner's solution to looting.


I am waiting for the thugs to break into a shop with a sleeping owner inside who is heavily armed... Its only a matter of time and then all shite breaks loose.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
Member since Sep 2011
25492 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:37 pm to
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I'd be willing to bet the family did have an autopsy done and it didn't show what they wanted, which is the reason they are asking the DOJ to do one in hopes that they will find something to help them out.


Their lawyers are idiots, so I won't rule it out at as a possibility. Having said that, a good lawyer, once they get one bad result back would not want to run the risk of a 2nd bad result, especially one they can't control.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86139 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:37 pm to
I like how he says Dorian describes Big Mike as a "gentle giant", as the video plays in the background of him roughing up and then intimidating the store owner. Gentle giant.
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
30449 posts
Posted on 8/16/14 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

The line has been set by both LE and the community. Anyone out after midnight is fair game.
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