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re: St. Louis is a joke.

Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:42 am to
Posted by STLDawg
The Lou
Member since Apr 2015
4550 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:42 am to
Not being able to have a good time in STL says as much about you as the city. Downtown is not where the action is at. Best neighborhoods for nightlife are Soulard, the Grove, and the Central West End.
Posted by TexasTiger08
Member since Oct 2006
30015 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:43 am to
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Most midwest bigger cities have died down... everyone lives in the burbs now and has lives.


I’ve seen games in Milwaukee, Chicago, KC, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Detroit, St. Louis, and pretty much every triple A as well in what you would call the “Midwest”. St. Louis is the ONLY one that is dead to that extent. Pittsburgh basically transformed itself, Detroit is rebounding, Cleveland is slowly doing a bit of the same. Those places have tried to at least make things presentable for visitors. Then there’s St. Louis.

I feel bad. The area near Forest Park was about the only redeeming quality I found. Oh, and The Hill.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109109 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 11:00 am to
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If anything downtown St Louis is safer than it has been in a long time.


I was there a few years ago when Metallica had their 2 nights in the old football stadium. I had no fear walking around, though this was mostly during the day.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18637 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 2:48 pm to
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Not sure you can judge an entire fanbase by what you see at one particular road series.


Fair enough, I've seen them multiple times in Chicago as well, but I get your point.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12616 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 2:59 pm to
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I will take exception to it being born of racism


It was initially. White Flight is a widely accepted term to describe white people fleeing black people coming into their neighborhoods and St Louis is no exception to that.

It’s not current racism. It’s past racism.
Posted by White Bear
probably
Member since Jul 2014
17579 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:11 pm to
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LoveThatMoney
it’s not racism at all.
Posted by JoeyP239
Member since Nov 2025
1044 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:16 pm to
Has anyone ever made a better business move than Stan Kroenke moving the Rams to LA? I think that was the Killshot

Also the Ferguson stuff with Michael Brown didn’t help either.

Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
51862 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:25 pm to
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Elite HIp Swive

Didn’t try very hard with your new alter handle
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
5531 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 3:32 pm to
Pine Bluff, AR says hello. Maybe it doesn’t make the cut since only about 40,000 remaining souls.
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
36162 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 4:53 pm to
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I've been to Gary, IN, Harlem, Detroit, Cleveland, Youngstown, Memphis..... ...

East St Louis was absolutely deplorable.
East St Louis is one of those places that triggers an innate “gtfo immediately” reflex. Certain really bad neighborhoods in various cities cause the same reaction but it’s rare for an entire city to carry that energy.
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
36162 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:07 pm to
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Plus, if you've ever seen the Cardinal fan base roll into Houston for a series, it's an aging fan base. Not sure their kids and grandkids are all picking up the fandom gene and the above may be factors in that.
A big element of this is that the Cardinals historically had a large regional fanbase. They dominated Arkansas until the 90s or so the way an in state team might. We went to St Louis annually growing up and that was common. I don’t think this has been passed down.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15546 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:12 pm to
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You should visit East St. Louis. I hear it’s beautiful.


I was in St. Louis for managing a soil remediation project in the late 80's

A biz friend used to say that he was the last white baby born in East St. Louis. He was born in the early 1930's

While there the mayor of East St. Louis had a limo and bodyguards with full auto weapons. There was no garbage pickup, the sewerage plant was down and there were drive thru crack houses known as Crack in the Box.

There were two mafias in the area. The Italian mafia in St. Louis and the Jewish mafia in IL where the steel mills and scrap yards were. There were two small towns with border down main street full of strip clubs with whorehouses all run by the Jewish mafia.

I had lunch at a place on Manchester, Faloni's. During the day, dad ran the bar and mom ran the restaurant. If you wore a white shirt she would put a bib on you before the food arrive. Their son ran the bar at night and also was a bookie. I've downed shots of Tobasco chased by shots of whiskey in that bar. The next morning was rather painful.

We rented an office cubicle in an office supply company offices. This is where I did my paperwork. The staff rented a party bus to go to Oktoberfest some little German town. They even had an extra deposit for puking rights on the return trip. I got a BJ on the bus during the return trip that evening.

St. Louis was beginning its decay when I was there but it was a fun place. The first week there when I went to a bar everyone bought me drinks because I was from out of town.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15546 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:17 pm to
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Did you check out The Hill while there. If not you really missed out.


It was still called Dago Hill when I was there in the 80's, or Southside.

There was next to no crime because unless sanctioned the perpetrators were taken care of outside of the legal system. In the 80's lots of screen doors with flamingos and left unlocked.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9493 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:23 pm to
I went down the road to Fast Eddies. Convinced that even the brothers were afraid of the bikers.

First Rams game I attended..commented “This will not last.” Gone one year later. When someone hands you free 50 yard tickets to an NFL game….not for long.
Posted by Wildcat98USA
Member since Nov 2023
503 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:16 pm to
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Not being able to have a good time in STL says as much about you as the city. Downtown is not where the action is at


Okay. Thanks for verifying downtown STL is a complete shithole. I didn’t even book a room downtown. I went to a Cards game and was surrounded by shite you don’t see in major league cities.

Any business travel in the future I’ll be sure to tell Concur to look for the specific neighborhoods you mentioned.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143696 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:23 pm to
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The area near the arch has a very nola feel to it


LaClede's Landing

Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
150129 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:27 pm to
Posted by madamsquirrel
The big somewhere out there
Member since Jul 2009
56157 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:36 pm to
I came from a direction that had a lot of graffiti
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
2045 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:58 pm to
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There were two mafias in the area. The Italian mafia in St. Louis


This made me think of a funny memory. I played on the church basketball team out in West County until I was 12 (girls) and the coach’s best friend was, unbeknownst to me, in the mafia. We all called him Uncle Manny. He sponsored the team. One year we all got new warm up outfits. No other team had any warm up outfits and here we were at 10 yrs old with baby blue VELOUR, bell bottom warmups with our NAMES in giant white letters across the back. They were the tear away variety so that, you know, when the time came to kick arse we could just rip them off.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 6:59 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15546 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:20 pm to
On a Saturday morning while at breakfast my car was broken into and a combustible gas sniffer and my bag phone was stolen. Precinct captain came over himself because there was no crime in this precinct, on northern edge of Dago Hill. . Must have been crackheads. Every car in the parking lot was broken into
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 7:22 pm
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