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re: Spinoff thread: What questions do you have about 9/11?
Posted on 3/14/15 at 5:52 pm to TheIndulger
Posted on 3/14/15 at 5:52 pm to TheIndulger
This. We all watched on live television as the second plane hit the tower. Yet the crazies are in here questioning it
Posted on 3/14/15 at 6:15 pm to TheIndulger
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to shut who up? the basement dwellers jabbering about it on online forums? The common person probably isn't even aware of these retarded arse conspiracy theorists. It's not like it's some huge movement and people are about to overthrow the government if we don't see proof NOW. The government has no reason to waste time and energy to prove something to a handful of loonies that fricking happened, that people fricking saw
Really?
www.ae911truth.org
People are more aware than you think. Its the Gen Pop like you who take FOX news as gospel and will vote for the next puppet they throw at you just because he is "Republican". You are not even a third of in the know as the "loonies" you describe.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 6:17 pm to TheIndulger
The easiest way to marginalize and discredit a group is to paint them as conspiracy theorists and loons.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 6:49 pm to Bengal96
Do you see the replies to portion just agive each post? I was replying directly to a poster that said even if there was clear video showing the plane go into the pentagon that the truthers wouldn't believe it. I simply pointed out he was correct and used the posts of the truthers in this thread to support that.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 6:50 pm to Bengal96
Have you read the scientific studies I have posted "ad nauseum" according to txtiger?
It may be helpful for you since you like research so much.
It may be helpful for you since you like research so much.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 6:59 pm to lsu480
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I saw the wreckage and it was NOTHING like any other plane crash I have ever seen ,because there was no wreckage.
Not many planes crash inverted at 563 mph. There was some debris. Most was pulverized by the extreme impact.
Big pictures
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:06 pm to TheIndulger
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to shut who up? the basement dwellers jabbering about it on online forums? The common person probably isn't even aware of these retarded arse conspiracy theorists. It's not like it's some huge movement and people are about to overthrow the government if we don't see proof NOW. The government has no reason to waste time and energy to prove something to a handful of loonies that fricking happened, that people fricking saw.
Truthers. Like it or not there are MILLIONS of Americans that want to see this really happened and the government works for us, remember? Also, there would be no time or energy wasted, they could pull the tape and send it to the media in an hour.
Now if it is a national security issue I totally agree with them not releasing it, but if it is then it is just proof they lied about it. I think they had VERY good reasons for the lies, but I think they lied and the official story is BS.
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And herein lies another thing-lsu480, tell me how many conspiracy theorists will see the video, and think, "welp, that proves it right there. There is a plane hitting the building!" No, they would just find a way to say the video is fake.Like always.
At this point that is probably true but a lot of normal people that don't buy the official story would feel better about it. If they had released them right away though it would be a non-issue for 99% of people.
Again, I think we lied about those for the right reasons but PLEASE read the next two paragraphs, especially the second:
Keep in mind this is the same government that 100% lied about the Gulf of Tonkin incident to get us into the Vietnam War and the truth about it was sealed for over 30 years. When it was finally released they admitted 100% they lied to get us into Vietnam, this is 100% public record and cannot be debated. Did we lie about WMD's to get into Iraq? Probably, I can't be sure, but we found what were technically WMDs so we get a pass. I don't have a problem with either of these lies because I think we needed them to keep up the economy but they were lies none the less.
Also, Operations Northwoods is something conspiracy people always talk about but it is 100% true and verified by government documents. There is no debate to be made that it wasn't true and this one botheres me because they wanted to murder civilians in the US. In case you aren't familiar with it then I will educate you. The DOD and CIA proposed using US government operatives to commit acts of terrorism against American civilians and military targets, blaming it on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. This was actually APPROVED by the Joint Chiefs of staff and it the very last person who could have veto'ed it did, JFK. Think about that for a second and realize all of that is 100% verifiable by public record.
How can you NOT question the events of 9/11 when we planned to do pretty much the same things before and one happened and the other was one signature away from happening? I don't know what happened, and I am sure if we did happen to cover it up it was for a damn good reason, but the official story is BS and the government is known to be a liar. Its kind of odd that the biggest 9/11 government defenders are republicans but they are the ones who trust the government the least.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:07 pm to BBONDS25
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This. We all watched on live television as the second plane hit the tower. Yet the crazies are in here questioning it
Anyone that questions the planes hitting the tours is just ridiculous. There were millions of people watching, at the least the second plane hit, IN PERSON!
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:09 pm to lsu480
The second plane "controversy" started because the plane hit the south side of the south tower. Most were on the north side of the WTC watching so they never saw the plane. They just saw a huge fireball come out of the building which made it look like a bomb. That's why there's so many as it happened interviews on the street with people saying it was a bomb. It grew from that.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:10 pm to lsu480
My biggest question is the third tower. Very shady stuff.
I'd also like to know what was going through the jumpers heads moments before they jumped.
I'd also like to know what was going through the jumpers heads moments before they jumped.
This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:11 pm to The Boat
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Not many planes crash inverted at 563 mph. There was some debris. Most was pulverized by the extreme impact.
40 degrees is not inverted and it was like 400 something. There was a theory it was inverted and in the 500s but the NTSB posted revised #s in the other thread. Even if it was like you said there still would have been WAY more debris, especially the engines. Those don't just obliterate.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:13 pm to lsu480
They found the engines. Pictures of everything is really easy to find.
No plane at the pentagon? Plenty of AA livery on the lawn.
No plane at the pentagon? Plenty of AA livery on the lawn.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:14 pm to The Boat
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The second plane "controversy" started because the plane hit the south side of the south tower. Most were on the north side of the WTC watching so they never saw the plane. They just saw a huge fireball come out of the building which made it look like a bomb. That's why there's so many as it happened interviews on the street with people saying it was a bomb. It grew from that.
Maybe but even so there were at a minimum tens of thousands of people who say it from the other side. A fake plane is just dumb, two flew in there. I do think there is a possibility there were also bombs at structural weak points that made the buildings fall the way they did, both sides have compelling cases, but I don't feel strongly about that one way or another because I really have no clue.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:18 pm to Bengal96
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www.ae911truth.org
I'm not going to your shitty biased website, and as far as Fox News watchers go, if anything the "truthers" are the ones jerking off to bill oreilly.
This post was edited on 3/14/15 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:22 pm to The Boat
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No plane at the pentagon? Plenty of AA livery on the lawn.
Again, there is no video of it hitting other than 3 frames where you can't see shite. Also, I am sure you have seen the size of the hole and the size of a plane. They could release a video and shut people up. I am not going to keep repeating myself.
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They found the engines. Pictures of everything is really easy to find.
Post a picture of that crash site and then post a picture of ANY other similar sized passenger jet crash site in the history of the world that had the same amount of debris, other than the Pentagon crash on the same day, and I will never question it ever again.
I think the government had very valid reasons to shoot down flight 93 and lie about the Pentagon, national security reasons, but I am not going to speculate what they are. All I know is that until Obama our government did the dirty shite, whatever it took, to maintain our lifestyle here and I am fine with that. If I don't need to know I don't need to know, I will trust them and appreciate it but I am not buying their BS.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:23 pm to Rebel
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The plane "melted".
Like the Rant after playing Bama
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:27 pm to lsu480
quote:Or at least they say they do.
Its kind of odd that the biggest 9/11 government defenders are republicans but they are the ones who trust the government the least.
Posted on 3/14/15 at 7:28 pm to lsu480
Just an FYI. My former boss was on VA Hwy 110 and saw the AA plane crash into the Pentagon. She has zero reason to lie about that to participate in some government coverup.
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