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re: spinoff of fix BR: Here comes St.George...
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:21 am to LSURussian
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:21 am to LSURussian
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I wasn't aware of that. I appreciate the heads up. I'll work harder being a condescending a-hole when I discuss other issues......
I appreciate the effort to reach some kind of consistency.
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:31 am to Lloyd Christmas
quote:I know. It was a rhetorical question.
Lionel Rainey, Chief Propaganda Officer of White George
I'm sorry, but if you really believe that this city will exist with all of the wonderful things the residents feel they're currently being denied and will simultaneously have a $20M surplus (without raising millage rates, mind you), then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:33 am to Sprocket46
Not gonna happen. Turn out the lights. The party's over.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:38 am to Grit-Eating Shin
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Whatever happens, they need a new spokesperson. Rainey is a jackass.
Why don't we boot Delgado and Rainey and call it a day?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 8:47 am to Golfer
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Mall of Louisiana
only the smaller stores. major stores did no annex. my guess is the mall owns and leases the smaller stores but the bigger retailers own their stores.
read an article how this causes a jurisdiction issue since city patrols the mall but sheriffs would be responsible for the other stores.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:02 am to Sprocket46
I don't live in BR and haven't been keeping up with this St. George thing too much. Is it that white people are trying to separate themselves from EBR schools by creating their own independent haven? Everytime I've tried to read anything about it, it's always TL;DR for something that doesn't affect me at all.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:09 am to zacata88
quote:Yes.
Is it that white people are trying to separate themselves from EBR schools by creating their own independent haven?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:18 am to kingbob
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How much it would cost to set up a government, build government buildings, and run a government.
This is an area that's completely misunderstood. The government model they're using is like central. No grandiose government buildings, no huge payroll of layabouts, just a few people in charge of negotiating contacts for city services. You don't buy a fleet of dpw trucks, just pay for the service contract.
It's a foreign idea here because we're not accustomed to efficient government. It's working fine for Central, other than having to expand their burgeoning schools, and they don't have near the money we have in St George. It's not as shaky as Russian tries to scare you into thinking.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:21 am to LSURussian
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Is it that white people are trying to separate themselves from EBR schools by creating their own independent haven?
Yes.
Never mind that half the students in the new district would be black huh ?
It's not a race issue. It is a wanting something better than the status quo issue.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 9:23 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:21 am to Huck Finn
That works for central, but we're talking about 130,000 people spread out over a large area. You can't just have half a dozen employees negotiating contracts with CH2M Hill in order to provide services to the people. It's going to take a lot more than that. There will need to be offices, staff, ect. I understand they're trying to use the outsourcing model, but that still takes money.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:24 am to kingbob
quote:Oh god no. They've done enough harm to this city as it is.
contracts with CH2M Hill
quote:Right. Contracting out services still takes money, and you're absorbing that company's overhead and whatnot. I've wanted for years for BTR to use a model like that where they bid out maintenance services, but not to save money....so that shite will actually get done.
I understand they're trying to use the outsourcing model, but that still takes money.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:39 am to Huck Finn
quote:I'm far from being alone in predicting taxes will either have to be increased significantly in St George or services will have to be curtailed.
. It's not as shaky as Russian tries to scare you into thinking.
For example, their budget has a grand total of $500,000 for street maintenance. That's not even a decent overlay project of any length. And that includes all potholes and right of way care. It's a fabrication.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:44 am to kingbob
quote:Exactly. That is the point most SG supporters completely ignore. The footprint of SG will be larger in area than Baton Rouge yet they believe 103 sheriff's deputies can provide security for that area 24/7 when Baton Rouge has 797 uniformed officers.
That works for central, but we're talking about 130,000 people spread out over a large area.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:47 am to LSURussian
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The footprint of SG will be larger in area than Baton Rouge yet they believe 103 sheriff's deputies can provide security for that area 24/7 when Baton Rouge has 797 uniformed officers.
As if the number of BR cops has anything to do with their efficacy as a unit.Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:50 am to LSURussian
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Exactly. That is the point most SG supporters completely ignore. The footprint of SG will be larger in area than Baton Rouge yet they believe 103 sheriff's deputies can provide security for that area 24/7 when Baton Rouge has 797 uniformed officers.
We already pay for sheriff's services and st.George fire. None of that is going to change.
For those of you saying st.George is too large to privatize, how do you explain the success of sandy springs, ga? It is a city of 100k!
And St.George is not some white haven like Russian wants you to believe. The under age 18 ratio is 50/50 minority&white. Don't believe his bullshite.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:50 am to CptBengal
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As if the number of BR cops has anything to do with their efficacy as a unit.
Strawman much?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:51 am to Sprocket46
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For those of you saying st.George is too large to privatize, how do you explain the success of sandy springs, game? It is a city of 100k!
Fortune 500 companies.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:54 am to Sprocket46
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For those of you saying st.George is too large to privatize, how do you explain the success of sandy springs, ga? It is a city of 100k!
Sandy Springs has like 6 Fortune 500 HQ's
St. George has Mockler Beverage.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 9:57 am to zacata88
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Is it that white people are trying to separate themselves from EBR schools by creating their own independent haven?
It's always very likely anyone who asks this(or more commonly accuses this) doesn't live in the area. I've lived in 2 neighborhoods in the proposed area over the last 10 years and had about half non-white people as neighbors each time. Everyone kept their grass up, everyone had respectful enough kids and everyone cared about the neighborhood.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:01 am to Sprocket46
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For those of you saying st.George is too large to privatize, how do you explain the success of sandy springs, ga? It is a city of 100k!
Look at per capita income in Sandy Springs vs St. George. Look at property tax rates as well. Sandy Springs residents pay far higher property taxes and that allows their model to succeed. I am not saying that the Sandy Springs model cannot succeed in St. George. However, it cannot succeed without raising taxes. Not even the Central model could succeed without raising taxes. Whether or not those taxes would be worth it is up to the citizens of St. George. I just think that the supporters are lying to people, leading them believe that no additional taxes will be necessary to have this utopia. The St. George opposition is lying to people about the doom and gloom it will cause BR and is using shady tactics to cut the legs out from under the incorporation efforts.
I just want all parties to be honest and transparent regarding this issue and for the people to decide this issue based on its merits.
Personally, if I lived in the St. George area, I would believe the additional taxes to be worth it for local control, lean government, and a more accountable school system. However, I do not have a dog in this fight so I am simply observing.
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