Spinoff: have they come out with an accurate # of deaths certs listed as COVID were bs?

If a 96 year old gets Covid (or just a cold) and dies, was it really the virus that killed them?

My wife’s 100+ y/o great grandma was counted as a covid death. The whole family strongly doubted that.

We had a 99 year old resident at the nursing home I worked at during the height of Covid; after she was negative she tested positive for C-diff and passed away. I guarantee Covid was listed as cause of death despite no longer having it

When government $$$ get allocated on the basis of Covid numbers (or for whatever cause) fraud ensues.

You’re going to anger the branch covidians with this post and in complete honesty we won’t learn the truth until no one left with any responsibility is well out of any position of authority. Time marches on.

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George Floyd was seriously counted as a covid death.

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You dumb motherfrickers will literally believe ANYTHING as long as it fits your worldview. Unreal.

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We had a 99 year old resident at the nursing home I worked at during the height of Covid; after she was negative she tested positive for C-diff and passed away. I guarantee Covid was listed as cause of death despite no longer having it

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So, this is a case where more information would be needed. But generally, death certificates (in LA) ask for the reason that started the cascade.

Here are some examples:
1) a healthy 19 year old gets hit by a car. He dies. His cause of death is an MVA
2) that same 19 year old lives. But he is in the hospital for 6 months. Requires multiple surgeries. He’s on/off a ventilator. He eventually gets better. Years later, he gets shot. His cause of death is a gunshot wound
3) same kid, never gets better, develops pneumonia in the hospital 3 months later and dies because of the pneumonia. His cause of death is the MVA (the pneumonia is a complication of the MVA).
4) same kid gets hit. Walks away. 50 years later gets pneumonia and dies. His cause of death is pneumonia.
5) gets a spinal cord injury. Leaves hospital fine. Never gets out of a wheelchair again. Someone smothers him to death with a pillow. That’s murder by asphyxiation
6) take out the murder, he gets a bed sore from neglect in the nursing home, dies from infection from it. Why did he get bed sores? From the spinal cord injury. How did he get the spinal cord injury? You guessed it- the MVA.


It’s a screwy process, but the concept is that the reason that the downward cascade starts from is the cause of death. So if someone had COVID, was given antibiotics (which I look forward to the day when a retrospective review says were retarded to use and worsened outcomes, but that’s another story), developed c diff within a ~1-2 week timeframe, and died from c diff, it could actually be proper to fill out the death certificate that way. There’s zero benefit for a doctor filling out the certificate in some nefarious way, and they can be pulled/argued/investigated if you’re curious about a specific case (the record becomes public after something like 50 years. The records leading up to it are never generally public, but there are some situations where they can be made available to families or other investigations if they’re questionable).


That said, believe it or not, a lot of people really did die from COVID. Very few that were young and healthy. Those that appeared young and healthy often had underlying problems they didn’t know about beforehand. There’s a bunch of folks who will randomly develop blood clots in their 30s-40s that are walking around with a “clean bill of health” today (no, not a majority or anything. And no, not really screened for because it’s not really predictable who will have problems. One of the more common clotting genetic disorders is the Factor V Leiden mutation. It’s in like 5% of white people (at least a heterozygous presentation) and is present in about 1/3 of people who have DVT/PE. The whole population carries a risk of about 1 per 1,000 person years will have a DVT. Of the heterozygous Factor V Leiden carriers, maybe as high as 8/1000. And two copies—-> 80/1000. It becomes a real head scratcher what to do with that information, because a pretty significant portion of them will live normal lives and never have a problem, and identifying the ones who will develop a clot just isn’t really something that can be done. This, of course, begs the question- are these people “healthy” or do they have “genetic defects?” It generally depends on which point you’re trying to make statistics show, sadly, because we live in a world where good information gets bastardized for unintended purposes with great regularity and popularity). And I’ve said this a few dozen times in other threads, but I saw more clots related to COVID (4-6 severe ones with death involved if memory serves) and heart failure (1) than from the vaccine (0 of each personally witnessed, which is far too low of an “n” to draw conclusions from and doesn’t make a single case of vaccine-induced injury any more tolerable to those it happened to or around them).


None of this is to say, “shut up, you don’t understand, it’s complex.” A sad number of doctors saw an attempt to gain power and popularity that they never should have had the opportunity to have (you can’t force someone with a BMI of 80 on a diet, you can’t force a smoker to quit smoking at any age, you can’t force a patient who’s had 10 inpatient psych stays to stay on psychiatric medications without the legal system involved if they aren’t actively posing a threat to themselves or someone else, so why the hell should we (no, I don’t consider myself part of those who think it is ok and want them to know it) feel like we can tell people they have to receive a vaccine?
If you use the concept of “public health,” then you’ll need to show why it’s a bigger public health threat than smoking cigarettes or not (forcibly) treating obesity (hint: it isn’t). And if that concept is over your head, you really don’t have much business in medicine, because you don’t understand that your job is to make recommendations based on your best understanding of what to do (which may very well be to get a specific vaccine) but not force folks to do what you want them to do.



It’s very, very disheartening to understand some of the complexities involved and watch both sides lose their mind at the other without really seeing the full picture (though a lot of it boils down to using states of emergency to test the powers of the government and wielding it on the citizens, and on that side, I’m just a regular guy who’s pissed rather than a doctor trying to add restrictions because the government thinks I know what I’m saying).

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Thank you for an intelligent, informed opinion. Must have struck a nerve because you don't have any of the mouth breathers calling you stupid or democrat or gay.

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No, not really. I don’t think anyone ever doubted that many people did die from COVID. But I still think that the number trotted out there was/is grossly inflated.