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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:08 am to bayoubengals88
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When you believe in nothing then you can't make sense of much.
says who?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:08 am to bayoubengals88
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It depends on the context. But yes, my worldview doesn't really allow for neutrality. Science explains the how, religion explains the why.
When you believe in nothing then you can't make sense of much.
When you believe in something, rather than nothing, than there's a good bit that you can sort out.
Long-winded way to say absolutely nothing.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:09 am to Jack Bauers HnK
We've already covered this. Try and keep up.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:09 am to low end
quote:You could do much, much worse.
The Chronicles of Narnia are where I derive my world views...
Are you familiar with Lewis's other works?
The Abolition of Man is a great place to start.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:11 am to chRxis
quote:What a wise guy.
you are right... you weren't taught, you were indoctrinated...
Tell me. Who alive hasn't been indoctrinated by something?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:11 am to bayoubengals88
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Well, why not? Can no one be right about anything?
sure... but in this case, using your own logic and reasoning, are we not right, based on our worldview, and you be wrong based on yours? who's to decide? i say i am right, you say you are... there's really NO actual way to know, so here we are...
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:12 am to bayoubengals88
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What a wise guy.
not really.... just logical
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:12 am to bayoubengals88
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You could do much, much worse.
And probably much, much better.
quote:
Are you familiar with Lewis's other works?
The Abolition of Man is a great place to start.
I am and they don't really do anything for me.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:12 am to chRxis
quote:I haven't heard you make sense of anything yet.
says who?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:12 am to chRxis
quote:Oh, I am. And nothing can or will change that. On my best day, I suck pretty bad.
sinner...
i'm kidding, of course...
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder."
understanding that we all sin and come short is the relationship that God looks for....not that we follow some set of rules. The Bible is pretty clear that following rules laid by men, no mater how closely we try has nothing to do with a relationship with Him.
Yet, we have religious leaders try to lay out rules and opinion, as if they matter. Ok, you think IVF is bad, great.......what does that mean? Do we need to outline all the things we think are bad? Gluttony? Vanity? Is there anything more vain than thinking your position on a topic is superior. Was Bill from Shreveport ordained with some authority God forgot to mention?
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:14 am to BlackAdam
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It just opened my eyes to how contrary to a consistent ethic on the value of life and humanity IVF is. The procedure may produce good fruit, but it is rooted in a practice contrary to valuing life.
Crazy but not everything is black and white. The Bible, which if you're taking a religious stance on it, should be the basis of your decision right? The Bible obviously doesn't talk about IVF so you have to go off Bible principles. This isn't a straight forward issue and I'm having a slightly hard time seeing how a religion could directly condemn something that quite a few things in life boil down to... conscience matter/decision.
This is an honest question, because I don't claim to be an IVF guru or know the exact specifics of the churches stance. But the embryos not used don't have to be destroyed right? What if a couple freezes the two or so embryos they don't use and plan to use them in the future. Did that couple sin by using IVF but not killing embryos?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:14 am to bayoubengals88
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Who alive hasn't been indoctrinated by something?
i'm not blaming you for the indoctrination, chief... you are really taking this personal, and it's really not meant that way
i know what growing up Baptist, specifically Southern Baptist is like.... my grandfather was a SBC pastor, so i basically pinned to a pew from the time i entered the world until the time i went to college... i get it, bro.. trust me i do
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:14 am to chRxis
quote:In the end, logic and reason fall short. The Enlightenment wasn't as amazing as you think it was. Have you been paying attention? Humans aren't really good at the whole logic thing.
sure... but in this case, using your own logic and reasoning, are we not right, based on our worldview, and you be wrong based on yours? who's to decide? i say i am right, you say you are... there's really NO actual way to know, so here we are...
What thinkers do you admire?
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:15 am to Celtic Tiger
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Too many people these days confuse not being able to impose their beliefs on others for suppression.
The pathology of our time.
Probably previous times too but I wasnt alive so...
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:16 am to chRxis
quote:It's just a stupid thing to say. You either grow up in the church, believing church things, or you grow up with lesbian parents believing LGBTQIA+ things.
i'm not blaming you for the indoctrination, chief... you are really taking this personal, and it's really not meant that way
Indoctrination, as you call it, is a fact of life. For everyone.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:16 am to bayoubengals88
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Humans aren't really good at the whole logic thing
You really shouldn't lump everyone in with yourself.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:16 am to bayoubengals88
quote:This is a major issue nowadays. We seem to think we can form an opinion on anything, regardless of being underexposed or ignorant of the vast majority of things going on in the world. You should be neutral in things you have little experience or knowledge of.
But yes, my worldview doesn't really allow for neutrality
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:17 am to low end
quote:I keep waiting to hear you actually say something.
And probably much, much better.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:17 am to bayoubengals88
Same.
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