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re: So Lee Harvey Oswald arose from anonymity to
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:58 pm to Penrod
Posted on 11/27/19 at 1:58 pm to Penrod
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THAT would be one of the most remarkable coincidences conceivable. What are the odds that a guy falling squeezes the trigger and it happens to hit the POTUS 40 feet away in the head?
while I agree of the probabilities, crazy shite does happen sometimes......hell, watch some clips of Ridiculousness. How some people don't die is miraculous.
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Posted on 11/27/19 at 2:11 pm to GeauxLSUGeaux
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Kennedy said he would
splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds
Moving away from Cold War and to coexistence with USSR
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JFK would have never committed men to Vietnam. And the Military Industrial Complex needed that sweet sweet moola
This is one of many lies that the conspiracy theorists must perpetuate to give their nonsense some structure.
As confirmed by RFK, Robert McNamara, numerous cabinet members and congressmen, JFK was NOT reluctant to get the United States deeply involved in the Vietnam Conflict.
It is simply a lie to state otherwise.
Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
- John F. Kennedy
Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:03 pm to JPinLondon
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They also will lie and tell you Oswald was not a good shot. In fact, he was listed as a Marine Corps Marksman. What is a "marksman"? Well, if my memory is correct, it means that at 200 yards, you can shoot within a one-foot diameter target, 8 out of 10 shots.
That's not quite correct. The course of fire includes shooting at targets that are 200, 300, and 500 yards away from the prone, sitting, kneeling, and standing positions. The Marine Corps is the only branch that has recruits shooting from distances as far as 500 yards away. In order to qualify, you fire a total of 50 rounds, worth up to 5 points each (depending on where you hit the target). The maximum possible points you can earn on this course is 250. To pass the course, you must earn at least 190 points, which will qualify you to wear the Marine Corps marksmanship badge. To become a sharpshooter, you must earn at least 210 points. In order to win status as an Expert, you must receive a score of at least 220 points. So LHO only had to get a score of 190 to continue on in basic. Not saying he acted alone or with help, just pointing out that he qualified at the lowest possible rank.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 3:34 pm to SeminoleMarine
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The course of fire includes shooting at targets that are 200, 300, and 500 yards away from the prone, sitting, kneeling, and standing positions. The Marine Corps is the only branch that has recruits shooting from distances as far as 500 yards away. In order to qualify, you fire a total of 50 rounds, worth up to 5 points each (depending on where you hit the target). The maximum possible points you can earn on this course is 250. To pass the course, you must earn at least 190 points, which will qualify you to wear the Marine Corps marksmanship badge. To become a sharpshooter, you must earn at least 210 points. In order to win status as an Expert, you must receive a score of at least 220 points. So LHO only had to get a score of 190 to continue on in basic.
Thank you for clarifying, much appreciated. In order to speak knowledgeably on the JFK assassination, the amount of areas one has to be well versed in is immense.
One of those is the skillset of a Marine Corps Marksman. The conspiracy theorists like to push that he was a terrible shot or marginal shot. An untrue assessment.
He may not have been an sharpshooter or expert, but he was a marksman, and the fact that he hit 2 out of 3 on 11-22-63 seems WELL within his skillset, for the distances involved.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 4:21 pm to therick711
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Yep, he missed an easier shot on General Walker.
Luck can always enter the situation when shooting, I have made a couple shots in my life that I could not repeat if my life depended on it.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 4:38 pm to BugAC
People actually take Oliver Stone seriously? 
What a hack. Platoon was ridiculous tripe. Every Vietnam clichè (fragging, drug use, insubordination, class issues) just happen to be present in this one unit. For it to win any award other than a Razzie is laughable.
Wall Street was a bad parody wrapped in overserious leftist trappings.
Michael Bay is Orson Welles compared to Stone.
What a hack. Platoon was ridiculous tripe. Every Vietnam clichè (fragging, drug use, insubordination, class issues) just happen to be present in this one unit. For it to win any award other than a Razzie is laughable.
Wall Street was a bad parody wrapped in overserious leftist trappings.
Michael Bay is Orson Welles compared to Stone.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 11/27/19 at 4:46 pm to baybeefeetz
Ignoring all the dumbfrick conspiracy circle jerks from Dale Gribbles here.
You know you can just ride an elevator up to the sniper nest and look out the windows. It wasn't some one in a million shot.
You know you can just ride an elevator up to the sniper nest and look out the windows. It wasn't some one in a million shot.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 5:03 pm to JPinLondon
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and the fact that he hit 2 out of 3 on 11-22-63 seems WELL within his skillset, for the distances involved.
Oswald qualified ONCE as a marksman with a better rifle than the obsolete Mannlicher he had. He hadn't had any rifle training in years and as anyone know this a perishable skill that degrades without practice.
Oswald may well have fire three shots that day but to say he hit two out of three is ludicrous. The killshot came from somebody else. Just watching the Zapruder footage and seeing the angle, impact, and recoil makes this obvious.
Now whether this was from a second (or third) assassin or and accidental discharge from the President's secret service detail- who all admitted to being out and drinking until 3 am- is the only question.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 5:05 pm to BaDoing
He scored a 212 in 56 and qualified as a sharpshooter. Scored in the 190s a few years later and qualified as a marksman.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 6:08 pm to Da #1 Stunna
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Carlos Marcello with the help of Santo Trafficante pulled off the Oswald/Ruby portion of the assassination.
I'm sure y'all are going to downvote me, roll your eyes, call me a liar, tinfoil hat, Etc but I'm just repeating what I was told. I have zero interest in the JFK assassination.
Back in 1996 I was dating a girl. Her father was an Italian who was born and raised in New Orleans. He had once been pretty wealthy and was in the bar business. Was friends with a a lot of successful people in New Orleans, a lot of them Italian. Guys like Tony Angelo.
Was also close to the Marcello family. He told his daughter and me, a few times on separate occasions, that Carlos told him, on his deathbed, that it was the Marcello family that put the hit on JFK. I don't remember him going into detail about why, how or if it was their initiative or if they were hired to do it but that's what I was told.
This wasn't a guy that like to tell tall tales or even talk much at all. He would come home everyday from work, walk up the stairs and go straight to his bed and turn off the light and close the door. That's literally the only time I ever would see the guy, from the front door to his bedroom door.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 6:14 pm to ZappBrannigan
Whoa, what did I say about the shot?
Posted on 11/27/19 at 6:16 pm to baybeefeetz
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a moment where he pulled off an improbable assassination of the president in broad daylight, and he was preparing to deny it?
Don't be cute.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 6:32 pm to nola000
Marcello probably wanted people to believe that, but there's no factual evidence to support it, only circumstantial.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 6:39 pm to NikolaiJakov
Yeah, I'm not making any Claims One Way or Another. Like I said, I don't care about the JFK assassination, at all. I'm just repeating a story that I was told by somebody I know to be credible. Now that's not to say that Carlos didn't lie about it but it's pretty weird to be lying about stories like that on your deathbed.
Take it for what it's worth.
Take it for what it's worth.
This post was edited on 11/27/19 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 11/27/19 at 6:46 pm to BaDoing
quote:You have a terrible understanding of the word "ludicrous". The phrase you should be using is "well within reasonable."
Oswald may well have fire three shots that day but to say he hit two out of three is ludicrous.
quote:Speculation... that is almost certainly fully debunked.
The killshot came from somebody else.
quote:Your understanding of ballistics and human physiology, particularly the way a head reacts to a high-speed bullet is quite poor. The head is basically a large weight that sits atop a rigid spring (the spine), and is surrounded by relatively strong muscles. Kennedy's "recoil" on the Zapruder film falls exactly within the range of what would be expected for a shot from above/rear.
Just watching the Zapruder footage and seeing the angle, impact, and recoil makes this obvious
Posted on 11/27/19 at 7:12 pm to baybeefeetz
So who was 'Lady Babushka'?
Posted on 11/27/19 at 7:16 pm to baybeefeetz
Oswald was the Prototypical Patsy.
5-Star, #1 in the nation.
5-Star, #1 in the nation.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:10 pm to baybeefeetz
When Oswald was in New Orleans he started so pro-Castro group..
Kennedy put a lot of pressure on the CIA to put down Castro.
So I think Oswald was either working alone or that because of his political views, he was an easy target to convince to attempt an assassination on JFK.
Kennedy put a lot of pressure on the CIA to put down Castro.
So I think Oswald was either working alone or that because of his political views, he was an easy target to convince to attempt an assassination on JFK.
Posted on 11/27/19 at 8:19 pm to baybeefeetz
Kennedy shot first
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