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re: So brave: Protesters at UNC campus tear down 105 year old Confederate statue
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:58 am to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 8/21/18 at 10:58 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Heaven forbid students feel that a statue is distasteful and worthy of removal.
I edited out the rest of your B.S.
Point is, I and many others don't have a problem with the fact that these students want CHANGE, it's their method of taking it upon themselves to do it ignoring current laws and policies. If it were put to a vote and the majority elected to remove it, than so be it. These criminals, evident by the fact that their actions violate the law, should not be rewarded by the same shrug shoulders you mention.
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Because of this slow evolution, statues like this have become pure eyesores and out-of-step with today's kids' belief systems. They want them down and I, for one, completely appreciate us progressing as a society.
Because of our inaction to penalize these criminals, they will continue down this path of violence and instant gratification. The fact that you think society is progressing is laughable.
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Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:00 am to Montezuma
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As a UNC alum, I hope swift punishment for the vandals. Destroying property because you disagree with how you interpret something without truly engaging in dialogue between the opposing party is what happened here. Closing your ears and not allowing for an open engagement is not the way resolution happens. The monument, ironically, was a testament to that.
I am not a white knight for Confederate monuments, but I am against vandalism, and group think vigilantism.
You can thank your alma mater for causing this "group think vigilantism". Why, exactly, was this statue still standing?
And now, due to their lack of proactive intervention, UNC is asking for an absolute shite storm if they try to punish these kids for tearing down an outdated and horrific reminder of mainstream white supremacy.
There's truly no defending the statue itself. Y'all can bitch and moan about vigilantism but you can't defend the statue itself or what it stood for. The question is WHY UNC left something so offensive on their campus grounds for minority students to pass by everyday?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:08 am to mmmmmbeeer
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You can thank your alma mater for causing this "group think vigilantism". Why, exactly, was this statue still standing?
This is essentially victim-blaming mentality.
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:12 am to mmmmmbeeer
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You can thank your alma mater for causing this "group think vigilantism". Why, exactly, was this statue still standing?
And now, due to their lack of proactive intervention, UNC is asking for an absolute shite storm if they try to punish these kids for tearing down an outdated and horrific reminder of mainstream white supremacy.
There's truly no defending the statue itself. Y'all can bitch and moan about vigilantism but you can't defend the statue itself or what it stood for. The question is WHY UNC left something so offensive on their campus grounds for minority students to pass by everyday?
NC's General Assembly barred the opportunity to even vote on their removal. The tear down in Durham which resulted in zero convictions only exacerbated the action. Any campus tour has a stop at the monument, and whoever is the guide can speak freely on their thoughts about it. It wasn't an item you could not speak out against. UNC's Chancellor told the local police to not arrest anyone on the campus. What should UNC have done differently?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:32 am to mmmmmbeeer
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There's truly no defending the statue itself.
Oh piss off with your holier than thou PC moral belief system. The common Southern soldiers that these statues represent weren’t the demons that all of your ilk think they were and there isn’t a damn thing wrong with acknowledging the sacrifices they made.
The people who actually fought against the Confederates and were actually injured at their hands were more understanding than you bleating frickwits who desperately want something to be offended about and overcome while sitting in your air conditioning.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:38 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:46 am to weagle99
This dude “Silent Sam” may very likely been a real piece of shite and the reason for the statue wasn’t exactly virtuous.
My problem lies in this not being taken care of at the state or university level, nope, the decision and process was completely taken over by a progressive mob of internet virtue signalers. They broke the law tearing the statue down and now won’t face the repercussions. This is a dangerous precedent essentially saying that laws can be broken in the name of justice or progress.
My problem lies in this not being taken care of at the state or university level, nope, the decision and process was completely taken over by a progressive mob of internet virtue signalers. They broke the law tearing the statue down and now won’t face the repercussions. This is a dangerous precedent essentially saying that laws can be broken in the name of justice or progress.
This post was edited on 8/21/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/21/18 at 11:46 am to weagle99
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The common Southern soldiers that these statues represent weren’t the demons that all of your ilk think they were and there isn’t a damn thing wrong with acknowledging the sacrifices they made.
The people who actually fought against the Confederates and were actually injured at their hands were more understanding than you bleating frickwits who desperately want something to be offended about and overcome while sitting in your air conditioning.
As an FYI, the torn down statue was not and is not the memorial for the sacrifice of the Civil War dead for UNC. That would be Memorial Hall, which also encompasses University faculty as well. The torn down one was a Daughters of the Confederacy monument. The difference, while subtle, was pretty defined on the campus.
This excerpt however, was not subtle, and speaks to why this particular structure struck a nerve with many.
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Julian Carr spoke at the dedication of the monument in 1913. His speech recounted the heroic efforts of the men the monument honored as well as the women on the home front. The speech also spoke to the racialized nature of the commemoration as Carr tells this story: “100 yards from where we stand, less than 90 days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench, until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady.”
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:19 pm to Montezuma
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The statue was funded by the University Alumni and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It was erected in 1913 as a memorial to the Confederate alumni who lost their lives in the American Civil War and all students who joined the Confederate States Army
Come again?
Posted on 8/21/18 at 12:33 pm to weagle99
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Come again?
Are you missing what I wrote?
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The statue was funded by the University Alumni and the United Daughters of the Confederacy. It was erected in 1913 as a memorial to the Confederate alumni who lost their lives in the American Civil War and all students who joined the Confederate States Army
UNC, the university, didn't pay for it, and it isn't recognized as the unviersity's memorial. That would be Memorial Hall.
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