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re: Should Arts and Humanities Majors be denied Grants and Loans?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:15 pm to Iona Fan Man
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:15 pm to Iona Fan Man
Do you have data to suggest that 2) is a real problem and not a phantom problem?
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:19 pm to Iona Fan Man
If universities just fired half of the administrators and put a stop to all the unnecessary construction, tuition would go way down, hence mitigating the need for students to take out heavy loans.
But that won't happen because people on the board are real-world businessmen who like to see real-world business type stuff going on at colleges, like hiring real-world business administrator types.
But that won't happen because people on the board are real-world businessmen who like to see real-world business type stuff going on at colleges, like hiring real-world business administrator types.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:34 pm to Bayou Sam
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If universities just fired half of the administrators and put a stop to all the unnecessary construction, tuition would go way down, hence mitigating the need for students to take out heavy loans.
But that won't happen because people on the board are real-world businessmen who like to see real-world business type stuff going on at colleges, like hiring real-world business administrator types.
Bingo.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:34 pm to Bayou Sam
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Do you have data to suggest that 2) is a real problem and not a phantom problem?
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Only 27 percent of college grads have a job related to their major
www.washingtonpost.com
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In 2010, only 62 percent of U.S. college graduates had a job that required a college degree.
maybe because no one was hiring for jobs that had a min qualification of a degree in 18th century poetry?
and that was 2010 when it was 62%
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2013:Half Of Recent College Grads Work Jobs That Don't Require A Degree
www.huffingtonpost.com
73% of tuition spent is being inefficiently utilized, and %50 tuition spent is not being utilized at all.
"no, no problem at all. we are widening our public's knowledge base while waiting for a really good book to be written. well worth the expense"
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:36 pm to Bayou Sam
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stop to all the unnecessary construction
it is necessary. if they don't spend the excess they lose it. Expenses negate revenues.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:59 pm to Iona Fan Man
You're right. Public colleges and universities are really nothing more than trade schools. We don't want an EDUCATED public so much as one that is trained in a career skill. What a total crock of shite.
I got my degree in English from LSU and went to law school. My wife majored in Political Science and went to law school. My oldest son got a full ride from the state of Alabama to attend UA and is majoring in ENGLISH, and his life's goal is to teach. I am frankly happy to take their money, regardless of my son's major, as I trust him to chart the own course for his life as he sees fit. I have no doubt he will do very well.
What a dumbass thread.
I got my degree in English from LSU and went to law school. My wife majored in Political Science and went to law school. My oldest son got a full ride from the state of Alabama to attend UA and is majoring in ENGLISH, and his life's goal is to teach. I am frankly happy to take their money, regardless of my son's major, as I trust him to chart the own course for his life as he sees fit. I have no doubt he will do very well.
What a dumbass thread.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:02 pm to Slippy
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I got my degree in English from LSU and went to law school. My wife majored in Political Science and went to law school.
and if you didn't go to law school(graduate school), what would you be doing for a living now?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:04 pm to Iona Fan Man
I would probably be teaching. Not as lucrative, but many times more rewarding.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:05 pm to Slippy
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I would probably be teaching. Not as lucrative, but many times more rewarding.
with just an English degree? Who would hire you?
BTW: what was the Highest Math Class you took while getting a degree in English?
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What College Majors Need Calculus?
Economics, Business and Accounting, Engineering, Natural Sciences,Mathematics, Computer and Information Science
these get subsidized loans
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:07 pm to Slippy
The ultimate irony in threads like this is that Arts and Humanities majors learn why it is important to have a labor pool that is diverse in its disciplines of study.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:11 pm to Iona Fan Man
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BTW: what was the Highest Math Class you took while getting a degree in English?
College algebra. And I didn't even need it for my degree program. Son made a 5 on calculus AP test, but made his choice based on his interests.
btw, most teachers have a 4 year degree, and education degrees are not required. If you desire to teach in a public school, you only need to meet certification requirements (exam, etc). Most private schools do not even require that.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:11 pm to boosiebadazz
you did the law thing right? Southern, sushi, and mango smoothies from what I remember.
what was the undergrad in?
what was the undergrad in?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:13 pm to Iona Fan Man
Interdisciplinary Studies from LSU. Business, History, and Political Science.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:20 pm to boosiebadazz
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The Bachelor of Interdisciplinary Studies degree program is for the student whose professional goals and educational objectives are optimally satisfied by a focused curriculum of interdisciplinary studies.
Bachelor of Interdisciplinary Studies link three undergraduate minors to create a thematic interdisciplinary major.
Concentrations With Required Minors:
Studies in Organizations— Business Administration
Leadership and Society—History, Political Science
so what did that accomplish for you other than just a degree so that you could go to Law school?
are programs like that just basically...hurdles? Nothing much you can do with that degree other than go to more school.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:27 pm to Iona Fan Man
How do you plan to sell your idea to the public at large, or (more importantly) to the legislature?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:28 pm to Iona Fan Man
The idea was to go to law school. I graduated from LSU in December, went to work for the Legislature, and then started law school in the fall.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:40 pm to Slippy
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How do you plan to sell your idea to the public at large, or (more importantly) to the legislature?
which? RIDS or just the approved Major list?
The first step for the latter is information. We need to see reliable studies that show the effectiveness of each major solely on it's own(people who went onto graduate programs omitted)
When the trend is seen, then that trend can be presented to rational people who can properly implement changes.
Maybe when the Student Loan Bubble bursts and there's a conservative in office, an Executive mandate?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:41 pm to boosiebadazz
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The idea was to go to law school
I don't fault you. You wanted to be a Lawyer. You had to go through the BS to get the BS to move on.
It's just my position that if the major can't stand on it's own, then it shouldn't be one.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:06 pm to Iona Fan Man
That sounds to me like a problem in the demand for labor. Not anywhere near 60% of college grads major in "useless" (read: civilized) majors.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:47 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Only 27 percent of college grads have a job related to their major
I still haven't seen anything to suggest that this is important outside of easier hiring practices.
Also, before we go down this road, there should be some study on the NECESSITY of certain degrees related to jobs.
IF an English major makes it to the business world, what is their ceiling?
Is someone in Sales/Marketing a better performer if they have a Marketing degree?
Etc. If that study showed strong correlation between success in a field stemming from degree attainment in said field, you'd have a better, although still weak, argument.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 11:14 pm
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