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re: Severe Weather Thread: 4/17 --Extra Bonus Easter Edition-- North LA and Northshore
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:14 am to WhuckFistle
Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:14 am to WhuckFistle
Think we get the game in today or nah?
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Posted on 4/16/22 at 10:23 am to Sao
I believe so, should start clearing off here within an hour or so.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:33 pm to Duke
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Duke
Question for you regarding something I was thinking on last night. And for anyone else who wants to chime in.
How long do you think it will be before we see these people like Ryan Hall (not necessarily him, but maybe others who are trying to do what he does) start "issuing" their own warnings to the people who watch/follow them?
I don't believe it is unreasonable to think that someone will start doing it. I don't care for the idea/practice at all. It doesn't have as much to do with the warnings that they will actually "issue", but more to do with the warnings they do not "issue".
There is already a significant trend of people relying on the Ryan Hall's of the weather world for their weather coverage. Some of them have admitted that these are the only people they follow/watch during a severe weather event. I still believe that is a problematic trend that many people don't realize the error or weakness of.
I respect those people for what they do, some of them are really good at it (Ryan being one of them), but they are not necessarily bound by the same sense of duty and service as a NWS office, or even on-air mets.
Anyway, enough of the rambling.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:35 pm to LegendInMyMind
Guys if you haven’t read into how somebody trolled the NWS last night with a fake tornado report here is the details.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:45 pm to beebefootballfan
He is likely correct on the damage reports.
However, the actual warning discussion included reports from first a trained spotter and second from a law enforcement officer.
Both of those reports were right in the warning discussion released by the NWS WFO. Now, we can debate what they actually saw at night, in shite terrain, with few if any other chasers around, but we can't ignore the fact that those two reports weighed heavily in the decision to issue the TORE. In fact, I'd argue those reports carried more weight than the mPING reports that came in. Those reports couldn't be ignored, though, and likely made the bump to TORE easier.
You had a forecast office tracking a rogue cell with giant hail that was in a radar hole at night with one of the radars in the area having technical issues. To think they didn't take everything into account before issuing a TORE and PDS Warning is foolish.
However, the actual warning discussion included reports from first a trained spotter and second from a law enforcement officer.
Both of those reports were right in the warning discussion released by the NWS WFO. Now, we can debate what they actually saw at night, in shite terrain, with few if any other chasers around, but we can't ignore the fact that those two reports weighed heavily in the decision to issue the TORE. In fact, I'd argue those reports carried more weight than the mPING reports that came in. Those reports couldn't be ignored, though, and likely made the bump to TORE easier.
You had a forecast office tracking a rogue cell with giant hail that was in a radar hole at night with one of the radars in the area having technical issues. To think they didn't take everything into account before issuing a TORE and PDS Warning is foolish.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:48 pm to LegendInMyMind
Then, we can talk about the butthurt chasers who missed the storm running around behind a currently-warned storm while taking to Twitter to publicly undermine and discredit the NWS office. They chose pettiness over doing the helpful thing, which would have been to get to the storm that was still tornado warned, get their eyes on it, and report what they saw.
What some did last night is not a good look at all.
What some did last night is not a good look at all.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:49 pm to LegendInMyMind
Is it weird that I trust Ryan more here lately than my own local weathermen?
Pretty sure I’ve learned more from him than the locals.
Pretty sure I’ve learned more from him than the locals.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 12:55 pm to WhuckFistle
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Is it weird that I trust Ryan more here lately than my own local weathermen?
As long as you realize that he isn't bound to your area and has no obligation to cover it, that is okay.
On a day with a big setup with multiple storms in multiple states relying on one or two people to cover it all isn't a great idea. When a warned storm is on your doorstep, go with the people who know your area and don't have to "go to the Mesoscale" to tell you where a tornado may be.
The December system that saw Mayfield destroyed is a good example of this. He and everyone (us here included) got tunnel vision on that monster storm. Meanwhile, people back in Arkansas and other areas had damaging tornadoes they were dealing with. Having an EF2/3 sneak up on you when you're watching a monster hundreds of miles away would suck.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:23 pm to LegendInMyMind
Oh, I agree about not him not being bounded to my area.
I was just saying that he seems way more intelligible, but that could be because he’s not on a new station and only have a certain time frame to explain things.
I was just saying that he seems way more intelligible, but that could be because he’s not on a new station and only have a certain time frame to explain things.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:25 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Question for you regarding something I was thinking on last night. And for anyone else who wants to chime in. How long do you think it will be before we see these people like Ryan Hall (not necessarily him, but maybe others who are trying to do what he does) start "issuing" their own warnings to the people who watch/follow them? I don't believe it is unreasonable to think that someone will start doing it. I don't care for the idea/practice at all. It doesn't have as much to do with the warnings that they will actually "issue", but more to do with the warnings they do not "issue". There is already a significant trend of people relying on the Ryan Hall's of the weather world for their weather coverage. Some of them have admitted that these are the only people they follow/watch during a severe weather event. I still believe that is a problematic trend that many people don't realize the error or weakness of. I respect those people for what they do, some of them are really good at it (Ryan being one of them), but they are not necessarily bound by the same sense of duty and service as a NWS office, or even on-air mets.
Unfortunately a few entities/ppl have already done this. Not sure if they are still doing it or not and I don’t think they were a chaser per say but it’s been done.
Thankfully they caught a lot of hell for it so maybe they stopped and it discouraged anyone else from starting……..for now
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:25 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Then, we can talk about the butthurt chasers who missed the storm running around behind a currently-warned storm while taking to Twitter to publicly undermine and discredit the NWS office.
This continues to annoy me. The mPING reports feature works via geotag. So, in order to make the damage reports (major roof damage, flipped vehicles) someone(s) had to either be watching the storm on radar and spoofing their GPS location, or the more likely scenario of being behind the storm, unable to catch it and submitting outright fake mPING reports for shits and giggles.
We saw the report of a "Large Wedge" tornado on the ground. Well, there's a certain segment of WxTwitter that loves the term "Wedge" and loves the running joke of "Everything's a wedge!" I like to hope someone wasn't following that storm and purposefully submitting fake mPING reports, but that looks like exactly what happened. It shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who made those reports.
However, that still doesn't mean that was all the confirmation the NWS had. The spotter report and the LEO report would have come in via traditional channels. Bad reports happen, particularly at night. If those two reports were all the NWS had, they would not have issued a TORE or a PDS Warning. Period.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 1:29 pm to WhuckFistle
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I was just saying that he seems way more intelligible, but that could be because he’s not on a new station and only have a certain time frame to explain things.
That's exactly it. An on-air met's job isn't to conduct a Meteorology or Atmospheric Science class. It is to convey the threat to the general public in the simplest and most easily digestible manner possible. Ryan and others don't have that responsibility, so they can get into the science weeds as much as they want. That's the reason I like watching them. Many are really good and you can learn alot.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 2:36 pm to LegendInMyMind
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How long do you think it will be before we see these people like Ryan Hall (not necessarily him, but maybe others who are trying to do what he does) start "issuing" their own warnings to the people who watch/follow them?
It already happens with some of the sketchier weather people on the internet.
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There is already a significant trend of people relying on the Ryan Hall's of the weather world for their weather coverage. Some of them have admitted that these are the only people they follow/watch during a severe weather event. I still believe that is a problematic trend that many people don't realize the error or weakness of.
That's not great, but the enterprise needs to ask why thats the case.
My initial thought is the challenge of broadcasting info for the general public vs for a certain audience. The latter allows more candor, which builds additional trust. Even here though, I know I have to be careful when big events are ongoing. There's a reason I dont call a landfall in hurricane thread for example.
But you have to be way more careful when forecasting for the general public. Which leads to hyping to get people to react or just having to be very conservative on the forecast (NWS struggle).
The problem though is it can erode trust.
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I respect those people for what they do, some of them are really good at it (Ryan being one of them), but they are not necessarily bound by the same sense of duty and service as a NWS office, or even on-air mets.
Duty is part I suppose but the other is the lack of local knowledge.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:27 pm to Duke
And there you have it:
@BradArnoldWX
@BradArnoldWX
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It appears we’ve found the perpetrator that was submitting the fake SN reports last night and her name is Laura Green. Allegedly this wasn’t her first time does this. She’s had a string of very bad reports. @spotternetwork please block this user from your platform.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:37 pm to LegendInMyMind
What’s the story here?
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:43 pm to LegendInMyMind
And they didn't find any evidence of a tornado during the survey.
That's really shitty to be putting out false spotter reports.
ETA: I finally pulled the trigger and paid for GR2 instead of playing the game of getting a trial for each version. So full power radar activated.
That's really shitty to be putting out false spotter reports.
ETA: I finally pulled the trigger and paid for GR2 instead of playing the game of getting a trial for each version. So full power radar activated.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:45 pm to LSUGrrrl
Last night we saw a Tornado Emergency issued in Northern Arkansas on an unusual storm with giant hail. The storm was in a radar hole and had very few chasers on it. It also had at least two confirmations throughout its life.
NWS issued the PDS Warning/TORE in part due to those reports and reports of significant damage and a wedge tornado on the ground. Those reports were made via mPING and Spotter Network. The reports of significant tornado damage and of a wedge tornado on the ground turned out to be outright fake.
Which meant that the NWS office issued a Tornado Emergency when, in fact, there was never a tornado. No tornado damage was found, only straight-line wind and wind-driven hail damage. The NWS office is now being shite on, but some people are placing their anger in the right direction......toward whomever made those fake reports.
NWS issued the PDS Warning/TORE in part due to those reports and reports of significant damage and a wedge tornado on the ground. Those reports were made via mPING and Spotter Network. The reports of significant tornado damage and of a wedge tornado on the ground turned out to be outright fake.
Which meant that the NWS office issued a Tornado Emergency when, in fact, there was never a tornado. No tornado damage was found, only straight-line wind and wind-driven hail damage. The NWS office is now being shite on, but some people are placing their anger in the right direction......toward whomever made those fake reports.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:47 pm to Duke
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I finally pulled the trigger and paid for GR2 instead of playing the game of getting a trial for each version. So full power radar activated.
I'm jelly.
Posted on 4/16/22 at 9:48 pm to LegendInMyMind
Part of me wants that person to have the same legal penalties as filing a false police report or fake calling 911, but the other part of me wonders if that would drive people to be more cautious and not report a real sighting.
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