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re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:48 am to danman6336
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:48 am to danman6336
Tyson would kill Lee.
Bruce Lee was like 5'6 130 pounds.
Bruce Lee was like 5'6 130 pounds.
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:52 am to theunknownknight
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Great post. Norris knew what was up.
But I guess posters in this thread will just say Norris didn't know much about fighting either.
First off, Norris says he likely would have been a world champion. Of his weight class.
And that was karate.
You want the truth? Jose Aldo placed in a ring with Bruce Lee would kick lees arse. That is just because even though Aldo has a great stand up game, he has a tremendous ground game and would simply annihilate Lee on the ground.
Put Lee in a proper weight class. Ask against someone of similar size. Or talk about a boxer of similar size who knows little about other types of fighting. But don't put Lee up against who was at one point probably the baddest man on the face of the earth.
Also don't put him up against some of the newer fighters with merged techniques. While he new lots of different ways of fighting, he would simply be outgunned.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:53 am to Slingin Pickle
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20 year old Tyson would absolutely destroy the tv karate man
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:53 am to danman6336
Tyson wouldn't land a punch
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:56 am to barry
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People forget how fast Tyson was for such a big guy
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Motherfricking THIS. Tyson was stupid fast for a heavyweight boxer.
So the same thing can be said for Lee. He was stupid strong for someone his size.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:56 am to danman6336
Tyson by a huge margin.
Lee was an actor, he was extremely fit, but there is no evidence he ever competed in anything but a golden gloves boxing match as a teenager. If he had actually entered competition he would have been in a welter weight class. As for speed there are many welter weight boxers that have the same punching speed with a gloved hand. In martial arts competition or boxing, opponents are separated into weight classes for a reason, body mass is the most important factor. Whether Bruce Lee, Jet Lee, or chuck Norris everything they did on screen is just staged theater. Watch some video of Norris in a competition compared to the staged TV stuff it is pretty boring.
Tyson can take a punch form a heavy weight fighter over, and over. Force equals mass X acceleration, Lee's little fist moving fast, or some heavy weight monster moving slow, it is the same difference.
Lee was an actor, he was extremely fit, but there is no evidence he ever competed in anything but a golden gloves boxing match as a teenager. If he had actually entered competition he would have been in a welter weight class. As for speed there are many welter weight boxers that have the same punching speed with a gloved hand. In martial arts competition or boxing, opponents are separated into weight classes for a reason, body mass is the most important factor. Whether Bruce Lee, Jet Lee, or chuck Norris everything they did on screen is just staged theater. Watch some video of Norris in a competition compared to the staged TV stuff it is pretty boring.
Tyson can take a punch form a heavy weight fighter over, and over. Force equals mass X acceleration, Lee's little fist moving fast, or some heavy weight monster moving slow, it is the same difference.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:58 am to lsufan_26
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So the same thing can be said for Lee. He was stupid strong for someone his size.
tyson was strong for his size and was a much bigger man.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:03 pm to ElroyJetSon
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Tyson wouldn't land a punch
If you truly believe this then you are beyond help. You are talking about one of the greatest fighters of all time and you don't think he could land a punch. Go watch some of Tysons highlights and report back.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:06 pm to theunknownknight
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no holds barred fight.
There seems to be this impression that in this hypothetical no holds barred fight, that Lee would pull out all the stops while Tyson would just sit there and try to just box.
In a true no holds barred match, Tyson would win easily 8 of 10 times.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:06 pm to diat150
Another thing is I don't think that Lee could effectively block tyson. I think he would have his hand in place but as strong and heavy handed as tyson was I think his blows would throw lee off balance. I think Lees blows would do the same but I don't think Tyson would be as affected.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:07 pm to Slingin Pickle
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20 year old Tyson would absolutely destroy the tv karate man
this
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:10 pm to Nativebullet
Yea, 20 year old Tyson would destroy nearly anyone. Especially someone the size of Bruce. Lee might have been quick, but Tyson was just as if not faster back in his hayday.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:10 pm to fisherbm1112
Ok, 26 pages.
whats the consensus?
It has to be that Tyson is the best boxer of all time(debatable but accurate) and that Bruce Lee was an actor who knew martial arts.
do I even need to mention that its no hold barred. No rules? No gloves? Yeah, it's Tyson.
whats the consensus?
It has to be that Tyson is the best boxer of all time(debatable but accurate) and that Bruce Lee was an actor who knew martial arts.
do I even need to mention that its no hold barred. No rules? No gloves? Yeah, it's Tyson.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:12 pm to ElroyJetSon
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Tyson wouldn't land a punch
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:16 pm to Mouth
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whats the consensus?
That people read way too much into movies and think that someone who has been in competitive and non competitive fights his whole life would lose to the guy that heard cut in the middle of majority of his "fights". Registered refs had a hard time pulling tyson away from fights let alone a director.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:18 pm to WhoDatTigahsTampa
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Tyson was just as if not faster back in his hayday.
Not faster than Bruce Lee - and certainly not quicker to move around.
Again - you're basing your analysis of Tyson's speed against other lumbering heavyweights. Tyson was fast, perhaps very fast, for a heavyweight, particularly his hand speed and head movement (as I and others have already mentioned).
That does not mean he was as fast as these little guys who can get off 3 or 4 punches in the time it took Tyson to land 1. Of course Tyson could hit almost as hard as Lee could kick.
There is definitely an argument here, for either man, for those willing to see it.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:24 pm to Ace Midnight
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There is definitely an argument here, for either man, for those willing to see it.
You are arguing off of fantasy. That is why people aren't wanting to see it. You are comparing a very talented actor to a very talented fighter. Tyson and Lee both have a lot of film. Tysons was just a real fight with real stats. I think Lee was extremely talented however there is not enough there to see how he could win. I think Lee was amazing to watch but you are not comparing apples to apples. The fact that you think heavyweights are simply lumbering around shows me you did not watch enough boxing when Tyson was in his prime. Those dudes were bad motherfrickers. They didn't need 2oz gloves to bust peoples faces open. They did it quickly and with a thick pad over their sharp arse knuckles.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:26 pm to fisherbm1112
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:28 pm to jg8623
quote:I know several black belts in Shreveport who can do this so I'm guessing Bruce Lee also had the ability.
For the last time, is there video of Lee destroying another fighter like this?
By using your logic, if Bruce Lee had a gun, and someone said well Bruce would just shoot Tyson, you would want video of Lee shooting someone before you thought he could do it.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 12:34 pm to fisherbm1112
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The fact that you think heavyweights are simply lumbering around shows me you did not watch enough boxing when Tyson was in his prime.
I watched every televised Tyson fight, up through Tokyo, either on HBO or PPV - my father was a huge fan. He even made me watch Tyson-Holyfield II with him.
He was a brilliant, aggressive young swarmer with everything you could want in a heavyweight boxer, except maybe a little more lateral mobility and a better brain between his ears.
The...question...was...not...whether...Tyson...would...defeat...Lee...in...a...boxing...match.
The question is - in a real world fight, both are expecting and prepared for - no rules, no fouls, no referees - who would be the winner - not of a fight to the death, but last man standing.
It is a legitimate question. Lee trained in boxing, wrestling, karate, kung fu, judo, whatever - and incorporated what he found useful into a formless form. Does it mean he could beat anybody in history, anywhere? I don't think so.
Does it mean he could beat Tyson (or a more contemporary example, Ali) in a boxing match? Highly unlikely.
But the skill set, coupled with Lee's other physical tools would make him a legitimate threat in any such formless, ruleless, violent individual unarmed conflict. He would be a threat against anyone - a serious one.
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