re: Self righteous veterans preaching "stolen valor" have finally crossed the line

No doubt

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the guys that call people out are just as gay

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Does that include calling guys out FOR calling guys out? Because, if so, I have some bad news for you Carson...


(ETA: NTTAWWT)

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There are some that are idiots, but there are a great many doing good work out there for their brothers.

Stolen valor isn't just wearing a uniform and trying to look cool; these people do it to get free shite, con people, get jobs, etc.

You can ask pretty much anyone you know if they know or have a friend that is or was a Navy SEAL and they'll say yes. Sadly, their friends are lying. There's an old DEVGRU team leader and his wife doing great work outing fake SEALs.

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I think I've visited their site, and some others. I have been rather surprised to see some of the names that pop up.

Big difference between what they're doing and what many others are doing - if I remember correctly - is that they 'out' the people that put stuff like SEAL Team or CAG or whatever on their job apps, resumes, official bios and so forth, looking to reap some sort of reward in a professional sense. I believe they notify employers and such as well. I support their efforts.

When it comes to posers that just dress up and such, we should just ignore that stuff.

When it comes to people using it to get discounts etc - well, that's not uncommon, people make up stuff to get into the discount category all the time.

Personally, I think we should ask many business owners to stop special treatment for people that are military. As long as they are understanding of some of the odd circumstances that come with military service, I think that's good enough. Discounted movie tickets, a break on the price of a set of tires....that stuff isn't necessary.

Yes, I know the bottom of the pay chart really struggles sometimes, but the pendulum swings and it can really cause damage. The public gets tired of wars, gets tired of DoD funding levels etc. They clammer for reductions, never realizing it's the troops that suffer first and suffer the most. The F-35 is the biggest waste in the history of the DoD, but it's not going anywhere. However, about 500k total will probably get tossed out of the military - active, guard, reserve - by the time the downsizing stops. Maybe more. Many of them will be career types and many families are going to be hurt badly by this.
Also, the DoD is very fond of finding or making up reasons to punitively discharge someone, during these downsizings, that way they don't have to pay severance, or allot any duration of medical care, GI Bill, etc. The public doesn't hear about that stuff, and that's just how the DoD likes it.
The VA is nowhere close to being prepared for this increase in enrollment and Vets with problems are going to go through hell trying to get a service connected rating. In the interim, which can go for years, many will have to use Obama care, they'll pay hundreds per month, have sky high deductibles, and life will total crap for them, not to mention their families that they will struggle to support.
GI Bill is great if you're single. If you've been toting a ruck and a rifle for ten years and get unceremoniously dumped by the DoD, you'll probably need job training / college. Family guys won't be able to do that and bring in income to support a family, pay health insurance etc.
When these types of stories hit the news (they rarely will because the media will consider it boring), people will shrug their shoulders - after all, during the wars they gave discounts on drinks and clapped during those homecoming videos and said 'thanks for your service' at the air port. Their allotment of charity will have been consumed.
Homelessness in Vets is high and it's only going to get higher, and women will probably outpace the men in that, indicators point to.
I'd rather that supply of good will by the general public stay in the bank so they can get behind legislation and other efforts to fix the VA, not make so much noise about the DoD budget, or to make noise about which parts of the budget get affected, and I really wish the general public would get aware of the problems in the military justice system, and so forth.

COL Boyd said 'people, ideas, hardware, in that order'. Unfortunately, during downsizing, the DoD punishes people, ideas, hardware, in that order.

Finally, the more combat experience we purge today, the more bodies we needlessly bury in the next war.

Santiago needs some coaching

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sullivanct19a

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Best response yet. I couldn't care less about someone trying to play GI Joe and walk around in a fricked up uniform for free Starbucks, but the guys who claim to be SOF and get hired and promoted over more qualified people because of it are the worst.

I love how the fake SEALs try to say it's not on their DD-214 or they don't have a DD-214 because their work was "classified." Sure, there are those on SAPs and the like, but that doesn't mean your prior training or BUD/S record wouldn't still be there.

As far as the VA is concerned, they are by far the most corrupt of all gov't agencies, they're spending millions on sculptures and art while vets wait hours for an appointment.

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Bushmaster

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You know a thing or two about the guys I'm not talking about?

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My nephew was an officer in AFSOC and won the Bronze Star for his actions in Iraq.

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He should be proud.

Read the book "Horse Soldiers" about the SF ODAs and airmen that went to Afghanistan prior to the invasion to assist the Northern Alliance and call in air strikes on the Taliban. The Green Berets were having trouble calling in strikes due to various reasons, so they brought in AF combat controllers who fought next to them. They rode into battle on fricking horseback.

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t's actually a crime, there was a guy in Slidell arrested a week or so ago for it.

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I thought this law was deemed unconstitutional. It probably is ripe for a challenge if it hasn't already happened.

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It's actually a crime

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It's actually not a crime.